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by eccentrically1
Tue Oct 03, 2023 9:53 pm
Forum: Fraud
Topic: The concrete arguments that Bessler was a fraud
Replies: 158
Views: 339791

Re: The concrete arguments that Bessler was a fraud

if the servant says the above, she tells a great falsehood. If there was fraud it seems it was contained inside the wheel itself . So in terms of Potential energy: how high could I theoretically lift 100kg with 30,240 Wh ChatGPT: ......So, with 30,240 watt-hours of energy, you could theoretically l...
by eccentrically1
Sun Oct 01, 2023 1:19 pm
Forum: Fraud
Topic: The concrete arguments that Bessler was a fraud
Replies: 158
Views: 339791

Re: The concrete arguments that Bessler was a fraud

Under no load, it would not require much. It’s difficult to estimate without all the specs. It could be less than 5 watts depending on its mass? I’ve never trusted the power demonstrations mainly because they weren’t more than a few seconds of load. They could have been staged to his liking to not a...
by eccentrically1
Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:39 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[quote=eccentrically1 post_id=202151 time=<a href="tel:1695559469">1695559469</a> user_id=2009] . .. .. . No, I don't think so. A bell crank is just that. A lever that redirects a force. It doesn't add force or energy. I believe Sam already posted it didn't work ? How can you squeeze ener...
by eccentrically1
Sun Sep 24, 2023 12:44 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

. .. .. . Adding a bell crank wouldn't solve the energy deficit, it's just a mechanism that needs to be cranked, and gravity can't do that. Is it realistic to think of the bell crank as a phase shifting transmission useful in squeezing some energy out of a so called gradient between translational &...
by eccentrically1
Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:02 pm
Forum: Fraud
Topic: The concrete arguments that Bessler was a fraud
Replies: 158
Views: 339791

Re: The concrete arguments that Bessler was a fraud

Without further evidence, it is difficult to determine exactly how Bessler may have defrauded his witnesses. However, the fact that perpetual motion machines violate the laws of physics suggests that his device was likely a hoax in some way. Ecc1: There's the problem; chat sees it too. You know ver...
by eccentrically1
Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:02 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

You’re welcome, Sam. You’re going to need more though.
Sorry.
by eccentrically1
Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:22 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

Ok. Good luck.
by eccentrically1
Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

I answered your previous post before you edited to add the bell crank stuff.
If weights don't rise and fall then you simply have a flywheel.

Adding a bell crank wouldn't solve the energy deficit, it's just a mechanism that needs to be cranked, and gravity can't do that.
by eccentrically1
Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:41 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

That's a flywheel. What every design becomes at the right rpm's.
by eccentrically1
Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:27 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

If we accept that it is impossible to avoid all energy losses in a build in the real world , then we have to accept that energy out would be less than energy in , and that to solve such a problem requires to adress the energy loss . If you think about it , if the wheel was not fraud it would be bas...
by eccentrically1
Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:24 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: [ One Step at a Time ]

We have to figure out how he gave those masses energy to get to those positions. We’re trying to use a minimum amount of energy to move the smallest number of masses the shortest distance in the shortest time. Mt 63 seems like a good example. Members are more than welcome to looking at MT63 and puz...
by eccentrically1
Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:17 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

How can you change the radius if you don't use gravity? I don't see where there is any energy deficit problem. Seams to me, the energy from falling weights is virtually limitless. Or, if there is a problem, maybe what he discovered to avoid it, was by NOT changing the radius---Sam ETA, Maybe that's...
by eccentrically1
Mon Sep 18, 2023 1:49 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

No , that was just a thought experiment jb came up with to show that gravity isn’t an energy field. It’s just a force field; it can hold potential energy but it can’t be used as an energy source. So, any wheel that depends on gravity to turn fails because of this”energy deficit”. Page 86 0r 87. So t...
by eccentrically1
Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:29 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

The masses in 63 need energy given to them to get to those positions in his drawing. They’re just drawn in overbalancing positions. We have to figure out how he gave those masses energy to get to those positions. We’re trying to use a minimum amount of energy to move the smallest number of masses th...
by eccentrically1
Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:38 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel
Replies: 1861
Views: 446255

Re: Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

No. Arcing in the z axis would be wasted motion, right? Lost distance. The time spent moving across the drum’s depth (or heighth depending on your orientation) would be better spent moving in a shorter arc in the X and y axes. Look at the position of the masses in the 8 and 2:00 tubes. Now look at w...