What should someone do with a solution?

[Dwylbtzle]

bitchen
and remember...in welsh dd is pronounced like the th in THEN--not like the th in THIN
and in all celtic dialects the emphasis is always on the THIRD to last syllable--not the second to last syllable--as in latin based languages
(think LANCELOT--GUINAVIER CAMELOT)
so manawyddan is pronounced ma NOW a then

(then a now
now and then)

and fleetwood mac got it totally wrong--her name wasn't riAAAAAAAAnin (like that stupid song would have it)
it was RIanon

silly churls
:{/

[Dwylbtzle]

and hey thanks, jimmich , for posting the links to those specific two
stories--hadn't read them in a while and i realize i had left out some details:
at first they made shields and the shieldmakers tried to kill them
so they had to flee to another town--so then they decided to make
saddles--and then the saddlemakers tried to kill them--so finally
manawydden had the idea to make shoes--because they were the most
staid, dowdy peaceable kinda people he could think of--in fact PRYderi
felt ashamed to have to be engaged in "such a peaceful profession"

shields for warriors or saddles for war horses he could handle--but THIS,
to him, was like general macarthur being reduced to having to make
DOILIES, er something, for a damn living-
-but manawyddan insisted, for safety's sake
--so that's what they did--and once again their product was so much
better than anyone else's it was putting the shoemakers out of business
and EVEN they were driven to becoming bloodthirsty (attempted)
murderers--so they all had to flee AGAIN!

so imagine how oil company executives and CIA members and religion-crazed
islamic suicide zealots are going to react

well, ask yerself, for example, how a drug cartel would react if you tried
to take away their drugs
and then realize what a TINY TINY bit of money all the drug proceeds in
the world amount to when compared to all the oil and coal proceeds that
there are right now
better you should meet a mama bear robbed of her whelps

and how do i trust bill gates, anyway?--the partner he started the
business with walked past an office door one day and overheard bill and
another guy talking about how they were going to dilute his stock down
to nothing

and mark zuckerberg?--ever see THE SOCIAL NETWORK?--he screwed
the winklevoss twins who thought of the original idea--then he screwed
his ONE AND ONLY FRIEND who put up the money to get him started
then he kicked shawn parker out after shawn got him the big venture capitalists
then he went public and screwed everyone who bought the overpriced
stock --which lost twenty five percent of it's original "value" after a few days
and do i even NEED money?
no--i'm one of the wealthiest men on the planet already
because my treasure lies elsewhere

oh i'm gonna do SOMEthing--but i haven't decided just what, yet-
-and it may just end up being for a larf
or for spite
for all i know
not for money
i could givafark if i ever make a goddamned dime off of this
meanwhile if any of you figure it out
you better think real hard and be very careful

what makes you think they don't already know about this?--and as soon
as someone tries to patent it--they can always show that someone else
already did
hell, even if not: they COULD always just back-date the papers and claim
you weren't the first to try

that's the absolutely most BENIGN thing i can think of that they could do
yule be LUCKY to get that
more likely a mercury bullet in the head from 2000 yards

and anyway--why do you think alchemy was always punishable by death?-
-because it DESERVED to be--they always had a special gallows gilded with gold paint to hang alchemists on
because they deserved to die
because they THOUGHT it really was possible to turn lead into gold
(and maybe it was)
and anyone who would do that for his own gain without regard for what it
would do to the world IS AN ASSHOLE-ok?

[ovyyus]

Yep, we have another one.

[Dwylbtzle]

still trying?

[Dwylbtzle]

ok, ovyyus,
--they must have trained you well (at the CIA/illuminatai school of pure evil)--you have worn me down with yer subtle psychological torture...
fact is I DO have a working model--but my investment portfolio is CRAMMED with oil company and coal mine stocks
so i have to balance what will make me the most money
and who knows if i can make this little plastic toy i've created (just to demonstrate the general principle) do any actual remuniteratively efficacious heavy work
:{/

let me make myself perfectly clear
this was a joke

(i would never invest in oil companies and coal mines
too flimsy of a prospect for the future
and i plan to live a long time)

[Dwylbtzle]

hey--i hit the quote button instead of the edit button by accident
(i do this, occassionally, only to correct typos and punctuation and spelling--not to change relevant content)
so now i guess i HAVE to write something in this spot
because the quote thing came up here
when i erased it, it said something has to be written
doesn't this site have any way to delete a post?
oh well no big

[jim_mich]

No, you cannot delete a post. Only Scott, the administrator can delete posts.

Most people just type "Double post" or DP when it happens.

[Dwylbtzle]

oh--i thought that meant "displaced person"--but, then, i thought FWIW meant "forgot where I was"

[Dwylbtzle]

BARhar!
watching a re-run of BREAKING BAD
and some guy is under an RV, changing the oil
and his friend is standing there, saying: "Gee, yer all mechanical, and
stuff...good with tools...you should, like...invent a water powered car, or something!
Man! If you did THAT, you'd be ROLLING in it!"

And the mechanic guy pointedly ignores his comment
So he says: "Whatzamatter? You scared of the Aye-rabs?"

[Dwylbtzle]

ok--i read that law on something being deemed a matter of national security
(what a headache machine--reminds me of when i tried to read the health care bill)
and had originally thought "the plan" was pretty cool
(wherein it was suggested that one should apply for the patent on "day one"
and then immediately send it out to everyone and his brother in
hell's half acre on "day two")
but would that protect one from prosecution?

i mean, i'm sure they could (and would) bust you for blatantly disobeying
them AFTER they declare it illegal to tell anyone about it
but could they make that retro-active for operating in bad faith (as THEY would surely consider it)?
i mean, how could they say you violated an official secret before it was officially declared a secret???
i bet they never considered that anyone would ever do such a thing:
(apply for a patent and then spread it around the world the next freaking day)
hehehe
kinda tickling to contemplate anyway

something to think about

slightly interesting mental excercise in surmisings
but MAN, i never figured trying to become an inventor would entail having
to think about and deal with THIS kinda sillyness

but i guess that's part of the package now
SHEEESH!

to quote the wicked witch of the west: "what a world what a world"

[Furcurequs]

It appears that if one were to defy a government secrecy order by disclosing or publishing the invention, the consequences would be the abandonment of the invention which entails the forfeiture of all claims against the government regarding the invention - and a fine of up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment for up to two years if convicted.

Sec. 182. Abandonment of invention for unauthorized disclosure

The invention disclosed in an application for patent subject to an order made pursuant to section 181 of this title may be held abandoned upon its being established by the Commissioner that in violation of said order the invention has been published or disclosed or that an application for a patent therefor has been filed in a foreign country by the inventor, his successors, assigns, or legal representatives, or anyone in privity with him or them, without the consent of the Commissioner. The abandonment shall be held to have occurred as of the time of violation. The consent of the Commissioner shall not be given without the concurrence of the heads of the departments and the chief officers of the agencies who caused the order to be issued. A holding of abandonment shall constitute forfeiture by the applicant, his successors, assigns, or legal representatives, or anyone in privity with him or them, of all claims against the United States based upon such invention.

Sec. 186. Penalty

Whoever, during the period or periods of time an invention has been ordered to be kept secret and the grant of a patent thereon withheld pursuant to section 181 of this title, shall, with knowledge of such order and without due authorization, willfully publish or disclose or authorize or cause to be published or disclosed the invention, or material information with respect thereto, or whoever willfully, in violation of the provisions of section 184 of this title, shall file or cause or authorize to be filed in any foreign country an application for patent or for the registration of a utility model, industrial design, or model in respect of any invention made in the United States, shall, upon conviction, be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned for not more than two years, or both.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/35usc17.html

Of course, if you were to be heavily in the public eye with such a significant invention before the government had a chance to slap on a secrecy order, their hands would probably be a bit tied.

Dwayne

[Jim Williams]

For entertainment only:


Class 376 Subclass 914
NUCLEAR EXPLOSIVES:
This subclass is indented under the class definition. Collection of patents that claim or disclose an uncontrolled nuclear reaction structure, e.g., a bomb.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Pars ... 914&d=PALL

[Furcurequs]

Some of my college professors (back in the day) also did work with Oak Ridge National Laboratories. I remember one of them seemed to enjoy showing us how to do critical mass calculations.

Dwayne

[Jim Williams]

None of the patents are actual explosives, of course. They just mostly seem to be add-ons to one's own pre-existing bombs; like delivery systems for them or neutron generators for that extra kick.

I concede I use to enjoy cherry bombs as much as the next guy; but I hope I grew out of it.

We have the Lawrence Livermore Lab for those who didn't.

[Dwylbtzle]

It appears that if one were to defy a government secrecy order by disclosing or publishing the invention, the consequences would be the abandonment of the invention which entails the forfeiture of all claims against the government regarding the invention - and a fine of up to $10,000 and/or imprisonment for up to two years if convicted.

Sec. 182. Abandonment of invention for unauthorized disclosure

The invention disclosed in an application for patent subject to an order made pursuant to section 181 of this title may be held abandoned upon its being established by the Commissioner that in violation of said order the invention has been published or disclosed or that an application for a patent therefor has been filed in a foreign country by the inventor, his successors, assigns, or legal representatives, or anyone in privity with him or them, without the consent of the Commissioner. The abandonment shall be held to have occurred as of the time of violation. The consent of the Commissioner shall not be given without the concurrence of the heads of the departments and the chief officers of the agencies who caused the order to be issued. A holding of abandonment shall constitute forfeiture by the applicant, his successors, assigns, or legal representatives, or anyone in privity with him or them, of all claims against the United States based upon such invention.

Sec. 186. Penalty

Whoever, during the period or periods of time an invention has been ordered to be kept secret and the grant of a patent thereon withheld pursuant to section 181 of this title, shall, with knowledge of such order and without due authorization, willfully publish or disclose or authorize or cause to be published or disclosed the invention, or material information with respect thereto, or whoever willfully, in violation of the provisions of section 184 of this title, shall file or cause or authorize to be filed in any foreign country an application for patent or for the registration of a utility model, industrial design, or model in respect of any invention made in the United States, shall, upon conviction, be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned for not more than two years, or both.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/35usc17.html

Of course, if you were to be heavily in the public eye with such a significant invention before the government had a chance to slap on a secrecy order, their hands would probably be a bit tied.

Dwayne

yes--but they sure would be PISSED, don't you think--when they realize
you purposely screwed them by applying for the patent and THEN
blabbing it hither and yon in anticipation of the secrecy ban?
like i say--they may never have planned on such an eventuality
i still wouldn't feel safe enough to feel snug and smug