In the US you have a problem, the government reserve the right to grab any patent that is considered to be in the national interest up until grant, which could be 3 years. In the UK they only have 6 weeks to decide so if the patent is for a bicycle wheel motion assister and it gets to week 7, they are stuffed.
You have to file patent in the country of your residence first, then go for the international filings. So if you live in the US but are not a US citizen, you are still stuffed, unless you are prepared to run the gauntlet and try and get accelerated grant, hopefully within 18 months, and keep it under wraps until after the patent is granted.
Trust me, creating a working wheel will only be 50% of the battle.
What should someone do with a solution?
Moderator: scott
re: What should someone do with a solution?
maybe i should move to the UK first
i always thought the revolution was a stupid idea
king george woulda eventually died
and then we'd still be Greater Britain
hey---how about this:
my original idea didn't involve a wheel at all
and it would be heavy duty--it would generate massive power
but it would entail me trusting someone with a heavy duty machine shop
and his entire shop crew
to keep their mouths shut
which is like... fergit THAT
then i decided to figure out some way to maybe make a little plastic toy that would utilize the general principle
just to demonstrate feasability
and that CAN be done as a little wheel
so maybe i should submit the little toy first
and see what happens
then i could always hold the main invention in reserve
i always thought the revolution was a stupid idea
king george woulda eventually died
and then we'd still be Greater Britain
hey---how about this:
my original idea didn't involve a wheel at all
and it would be heavy duty--it would generate massive power
but it would entail me trusting someone with a heavy duty machine shop
and his entire shop crew
to keep their mouths shut
which is like... fergit THAT
then i decided to figure out some way to maybe make a little plastic toy that would utilize the general principle
just to demonstrate feasability
and that CAN be done as a little wheel
so maybe i should submit the little toy first
and see what happens
then i could always hold the main invention in reserve
re: What should someone do with a solution?
my advice is build a working wheel first, that's we have all been trying to do for a very long time.
re: What should someone do with a solution?
ive noticed a general common theme in this site
a large group seem to think this whole thing is impossible
and therefore bessler must have been a hoax
(so why they are all listed as "addicts" sure escapes me)
they seem to really like hanging out here in this big assed silly fraud enthusiasts site
sniggering at the fools
then someone is apparrently supposed to ADMIT they have a working model
or else they shouldn't even talk about it
and then if they claim that
they're gonna have to PROVE it
right?
or else they're just a blabbering asshole
right?
"yep--we got another one"
and that would neccessarily involve REVEALING IT
right?
"if you had a working model you wouldn't be here"
yet look at the title of this frippin thread
and look at the content
i've gotten a LOT of useful feedback on how a person is gonna get jailed
or killed if he has a working model
"but hey Dylbtzle
do you have a working model?
huh?
huh?
say it
so YOU CAN BE KILLED hehehe
or don't talk about it
worry about making a working model before you worry about assassins"
see the kinda catch 22 thing going on here?
but i see their p.o.v.--a person could be killed
but THEY're willing to take that risk
a large group seem to think this whole thing is impossible
and therefore bessler must have been a hoax
(so why they are all listed as "addicts" sure escapes me)
they seem to really like hanging out here in this big assed silly fraud enthusiasts site
sniggering at the fools
then someone is apparrently supposed to ADMIT they have a working model
or else they shouldn't even talk about it
and then if they claim that
they're gonna have to PROVE it
right?
or else they're just a blabbering asshole
right?
"yep--we got another one"
and that would neccessarily involve REVEALING IT
right?
"if you had a working model you wouldn't be here"
yet look at the title of this frippin thread
and look at the content
i've gotten a LOT of useful feedback on how a person is gonna get jailed
or killed if he has a working model
"but hey Dylbtzle
do you have a working model?
huh?
huh?
say it
so YOU CAN BE KILLED hehehe
or don't talk about it
worry about making a working model before you worry about assassins"
see the kinda catch 22 thing going on here?
but i see their p.o.v.--a person could be killed
but THEY're willing to take that risk
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re: What should someone do with a solution?
and gee--the guy who started the thread was banned, i just noticed
and yes i see it was for insulting people
because he felt HE was being insulted in ways that the insulters thought
were sniggering and subtle enough NOT to classify as official insults
so i've been choosing my words VERY carefully
but hey
i've had one person following me around in here and insulting me
in (not so) subtle and sniggering ways
that i'm about ready to invite to bugger a koala bear, myself
i've been here FIVE MINUTES and i see him doing it to other people, too, already
and that was just one guy
lots of people do it to lots of people
i see a lot of these people who do this are "highly regarded"
so that makes me wonder how many other goading sniggerers it would
take to vote for a fellow goading sniggerer until they get a high reputation vote-count
that's the inherent flaw in that reputation vote thing
a clique can band together
and yes i see it was for insulting people
because he felt HE was being insulted in ways that the insulters thought
were sniggering and subtle enough NOT to classify as official insults
so i've been choosing my words VERY carefully
but hey
i've had one person following me around in here and insulting me
in (not so) subtle and sniggering ways
that i'm about ready to invite to bugger a koala bear, myself
i've been here FIVE MINUTES and i see him doing it to other people, too, already
and that was just one guy
lots of people do it to lots of people
i see a lot of these people who do this are "highly regarded"
so that makes me wonder how many other goading sniggerers it would
take to vote for a fellow goading sniggerer until they get a high reputation vote-count
that's the inherent flaw in that reputation vote thing
a clique can band together
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re: What should someone do with a solution?
Agree with the members bit but some of us believe Bessler did it and he could do it, so can we. However, I'm into 14 years and John Collins about 40 years. You need to make up your own mind first, real or hoax?
re: What should someone do with a solution?
i wasn't referring to you, bro
yer previous post just triggered my outburst
been holding back a long time
they hits one as soon as one gets here, apparently
and as paranoid as it may sound
this is exactly what someone would do if they had nefarious intentions
and were monitoring this place
(goad him into admitting he had a working model
and then ridicule him because he's obviously a lying blabbering asshole unless he blabs it right out HERE)
(just because yer paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you)
i don't even NECCESSARILY think this is the case probably
which makes the goaders all the more mysterious
what the hell are they GETTING out of this place?
this is their idea of entertainment?:
shitting on people with ideas
because they have none?
reminds me of that certain kinda atheist who makes it his OBSESSIVE RELIGION (and lifelong avocation) to crap on believers
why bother if it's fake and yer so damn sure?
yer previous post just triggered my outburst
been holding back a long time
they hits one as soon as one gets here, apparently
and as paranoid as it may sound
this is exactly what someone would do if they had nefarious intentions
and were monitoring this place
(goad him into admitting he had a working model
and then ridicule him because he's obviously a lying blabbering asshole unless he blabs it right out HERE)
(just because yer paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you)
i don't even NECCESSARILY think this is the case probably
which makes the goaders all the more mysterious
what the hell are they GETTING out of this place?
this is their idea of entertainment?:
shitting on people with ideas
because they have none?
reminds me of that certain kinda atheist who makes it his OBSESSIVE RELIGION (and lifelong avocation) to crap on believers
why bother if it's fake and yer so damn sure?
re: What should someone do with a solution?
please don't anyone take the ken thing the wrong way
i have no dog in THAT fight
maybe he deserved to be banned
i'm just saying
in a general way
especially with the reputation vote thing
a group or clique can gang up on someone
and tag team them
and drive them to end up looking or sounding bad
and yeah--maybe the individual is emotionally unstable--and you REALLY
DO end up with a raging wounded (newly minted) "troll" galloping around
yer site--posting titles to threads with other people's names in them
over and over--blaring their grievences--and calling people names
and at THAT point the admin almost HAS to ban them
i've seen it happen in almost every forum i've ever gotten involved with
or even perused casually
it seems to be a very common internet disease
i've even had close personal friends ADMIT to me
that they become addicted to forum acrimony
they purposely go to websites to BITCH about politics for instance
i even saw the exact phenomenon happening in a bleeding FOOD ENTHUSIASTS site!
i swear to GOD!
it was rediculous
factions bickering at the other faction
enemies with grudges drawing lines and choosing sides
it's a bit sick
but, hey--that's life in the NFL:
the race has fallen
it happened thousands of years ago
i have no dog in THAT fight
maybe he deserved to be banned
i'm just saying
in a general way
especially with the reputation vote thing
a group or clique can gang up on someone
and tag team them
and drive them to end up looking or sounding bad
and yeah--maybe the individual is emotionally unstable--and you REALLY
DO end up with a raging wounded (newly minted) "troll" galloping around
yer site--posting titles to threads with other people's names in them
over and over--blaring their grievences--and calling people names
and at THAT point the admin almost HAS to ban them
i've seen it happen in almost every forum i've ever gotten involved with
or even perused casually
it seems to be a very common internet disease
i've even had close personal friends ADMIT to me
that they become addicted to forum acrimony
they purposely go to websites to BITCH about politics for instance
i even saw the exact phenomenon happening in a bleeding FOOD ENTHUSIASTS site!
i swear to GOD!
it was rediculous
factions bickering at the other faction
enemies with grudges drawing lines and choosing sides
it's a bit sick
but, hey--that's life in the NFL:
the race has fallen
it happened thousands of years ago
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re: What should someone do with a solution?
Your game, play it how you want. I will just chug away at it as have been for a while. it is unlikely that I would announce anything on this site if I succeed.
re: What should someone do with a solution?
and don't give up
40 years is nothing
remember carver amplifiers:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sour ... yMng31WNXU
for 100 years producers of amplifiers thought they had to expend most of
the weight and all the heat piggybacking capacitors around in the amp box
(so there would be enough power immediately on hand to handle two
or more high frequency surges in a short space of time without causing distortion)
until one day carver thought of the idea of just running the curcuit back one level
and drawing all the power that WAS being stored in the capacitors
from the nuclear power plant or coal fired plant down the friggin street
so now a 1500 watt amp is an inch thick and has no heat and weighs nothing
and has virtually no distortion
it was so simple no one had noticed it before
and it has been called the biggest overlooked thing in science
but i know a bigger
don't snigger, niggah!
hehehe
40 years is nothing
remember carver amplifiers:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sour ... yMng31WNXU
for 100 years producers of amplifiers thought they had to expend most of
the weight and all the heat piggybacking capacitors around in the amp box
(so there would be enough power immediately on hand to handle two
or more high frequency surges in a short space of time without causing distortion)
until one day carver thought of the idea of just running the curcuit back one level
and drawing all the power that WAS being stored in the capacitors
from the nuclear power plant or coal fired plant down the friggin street
so now a 1500 watt amp is an inch thick and has no heat and weighs nothing
and has virtually no distortion
it was so simple no one had noticed it before
and it has been called the biggest overlooked thing in science
but i know a bigger
don't snigger, niggah!
hehehe
re: What should someone do with a solution?
D.
There is no hidden masonic inspired group conspiring in every spare moment to hand out red dots to people, before arranging their untimely disappearance.
Ive been here for a shorter time than some, but on this site there is a constant flow of people, who are either perpetually deluded, fraudulent or just mentally unstable, "i'm about ready to invite to bugger a koala bear": regardless of your sexual preferences, it is the way you act rather than what you have to convey that determines your rating. And I doubt anyone is stalking you in particular.
What this forum doesn't like, are people steadfast in their delusion. "I know how to build a perpetual motion wheel, Im smarter than everyone else here, but I don't have any actual proof that my imaginary device works."
Personally, I have believed on a few(or more) occasions that I have had "The answer" and excitement can get the better of me on occasion. But I now react differently than I used to when excited over a theory (I hope). Even a POP test can be misread to give a false positive. The ultimate proof, even if it is only proof for yourself, is a working model. That is why someone would ask you if you have one.
There is no hidden masonic inspired group conspiring in every spare moment to hand out red dots to people, before arranging their untimely disappearance.
Ive been here for a shorter time than some, but on this site there is a constant flow of people, who are either perpetually deluded, fraudulent or just mentally unstable, "i'm about ready to invite to bugger a koala bear": regardless of your sexual preferences, it is the way you act rather than what you have to convey that determines your rating. And I doubt anyone is stalking you in particular.
What this forum doesn't like, are people steadfast in their delusion. "I know how to build a perpetual motion wheel, Im smarter than everyone else here, but I don't have any actual proof that my imaginary device works."
Personally, I have believed on a few(or more) occasions that I have had "The answer" and excitement can get the better of me on occasion. But I now react differently than I used to when excited over a theory (I hope). Even a POP test can be misread to give a false positive. The ultimate proof, even if it is only proof for yourself, is a working model. That is why someone would ask you if you have one.
re: What should someone do with a solution?
Well said T.
Irony. D's very first post on this forum:
Irony. D's very first post on this forum:
It's a funny old asylum, isn't it? Round and round we go :DDwylbtzle wrote:have you or anyone else made a working model of YER idea?
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re: What should someone do with a solution?
I mentioned to a group last Thursday I was part of a discussion group on perpetual motion. A result was someone asked, "What is perpetual motion?" I tried to explain it was something that worked without an outside energy source.
People tried to grasp the concept. Finally someone asked, "Is it someone who bends spoons with their mind? Is it a belief in psychokinesis?" I suggested no one here would believe in psychokinesis; only perpetual motion.
So it was good for a laugh.
People tried to grasp the concept. Finally someone asked, "Is it someone who bends spoons with their mind? Is it a belief in psychokinesis?" I suggested no one here would believe in psychokinesis; only perpetual motion.
So it was good for a laugh.