What should someone do with a solution?

[ovyyus]

Attempting to replicate Bessler's demonstrations seems slightly more sane than attempting perpetual motion. When Bessler's secret is finally uncovered I suspect it will have little to do with gravity or PM and more to do with novel application of an already well understood and recognized energy source. All nuts crack under the right hammer.

[Jim Williams]

When I first came to this site, armed to the teeth with the knowledge of which in my generosity I would free everyone here from the question of a working device; I never would have thought I was attempting perpetual motion.

Then I learned gravity was conservative and that was the end of that. What I'm left with now is the knowledge that energy exists.

That's all I've got. I plead ignorance as from where that energy comes to be.

[Fletcher]

Attempting to replicate Bessler's demonstrations seems slightly more sane than attempting perpetual motion. When Bessler's secret is finally uncovered I suspect it will have little to do with gravity or PM and more to do with novel application of an already well understood and recognized energy source. All nuts crack under the right hammer.

That was worth saying again lol.

[ovyyus]

Questionable ROI :D

[Dwylbtzle]

Well said T.

Irony. D's very first post on this forum:

have you or anyone else made a working model of YER idea?

It's a funny old asylum, isn't it? Round and round we go :D

yeah
i think i remember that now
it was two years ago
when i hadn't even THOUGHT about suppression
and was a babe in the woods
the first thing i ever did was write a pm to the admin and innocently asked him if this was a site where people were actually making working models of various ideas
and he (reasonably) sounded like he thought i was mad
because (he said) it would be world wide news instantly if someone had

but i cetainly never ridiculed anyone for either having or not having a working model
like you do, mite
and followed them around continuing to try and pry the answer out of him several times
all the while muttering snide snotty comments

and i certainly never said anything as rediculous as "if you had a working model you wouldn't be here"
like you did
i still don't even know what the F*** that's supposed to mean
or why anyone would say it

[Dwylbtzle]

D.

There is no hidden masonic inspired group conspiring in every spare moment to hand out red dots to people, before arranging their untimely disappearance.

nice comforting declarative statement
but how would you know?

have any evidence to back that up?

i certainly have posted (at least tree times) evidence that there IS suppression
of various levels
including highly suspicious possible murder

i even remember someone on this site saying he thinks someone he knows was murdered over this kinda stuff

[Dwylbtzle]

D.



What this forum doesn't like, are people steadfast in their delusion. "I know how to build a perpetual motion wheel, Im smarter than everyone else here, but I don't have any actual proof that my imaginary device works."

Personally, I have believed on a few(or more) occasions that I have had "The answer" and excitement can get the better of me on occasion. But I now react differently than I used to when excited over a theory (I hope). Even a POP test can be misread to give a false positive. The ultimate proof, even if it is only proof for yourself, is a working model. That is why someone would ask you if you have one.

i never said i had a working model
that's when the multiple attempts began to try and get me to say it

and if someone asked
what should one say?
if you say yes--they call you a liar and demand you prove it
which would be incredibly stupid
if you say you don't
aha! yer just some empty jerk who thinks he's smarter than everyone else

you just made my point beautifully
thanks

[Dwylbtzle]

I mentioned to a group last Thursday I was part of a discussion group on perpetual motion. A result was someone asked, "What is perpetual motion?" I tried to explain it was something that worked without an outside energy source.

People tried to grasp the concept. Finally someone asked, "Is it someone who bends spoons with their mind? Is it a belief in psychokinesis?" I suggested no one here would believe in psychokinesis; only perpetual motion.

So it was good for a laugh.

i believe in psychokinesis
don't most reasonable people?
hehehe

[Dwylbtzle]

Attempting to replicate Bessler's demonstrations seems slightly more sane than attempting perpetual motion. When Bessler's secret is finally uncovered I suspect it will have little to do with gravity or PM and more to do with novel application of an already well understood and recognized energy source. All nuts crack under the right hammer.

well that certainly makes sense since bessler never claimed to have found perpetual motion
and if his wheel was what he said:--something that somehow kept weights farther to one side of a wheel than the other
it wouldn't BE perpetual motion
because it would be depending on an outside force: gravity

[Dwylbtzle]

every time you put a boat in the water yer freely using gravity
which is pushing down on the water
to lift the boat
and the energy it took to put the boat in the water
has NOTHING to do with the energy yer TAPPING

every time you put hydrogen or helium in a balloon yer freely using gravity to lift the balloon
and it will KEEP lifting that balloon till the hydrogen or helium slowly leaks out enough
and the energy it took to put the gas in the balloon
has NOTHING to do with the energy yer TAPPING

[Jim Williams]

The US Patent Office demands a working model for any perpetual motion device; has a nice warm classification for it (415/916), if that working model is supplied, but rejects any and all applications that don't have one. Simple.

[Dwylbtzle]

also
i never said there WAS any conspiracy to suppress anything or kill anyone

i said as long as there was a POSSIBILITY
one would be wise to be prudent

[Dwylbtzle]

The US Patent Office demands a working model for any perpetual motion device; has a nice warm classification for it (415/916), if that working model is supplied, but rejects any and all applications that don't have one. Simple.

A): i think most of us already knew that

2): as stated hundreds of times in this forum: the bessler wheel is not a perpetual motion machine--and no-one, including bessler, ever claimed it was

III): what's yer point if the whole point of this thread is people worrying about catching possible hell if you submit the idea to the patent office?

[Jim Williams]

With the knowledge that the Patent Office only accepts working models as proof; fortunes in legal costs and such can be avoided for those who don't have one.

[Dwylbtzle]

Questionable ROI :D

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ROI

which one of these is that?