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[Dwylbtzle]

ok i'm TRYING to see it
trying to see how energy is created forever by increasing CF
which is done by moving one thing farther from another
while they are spinning right?

and i think of a see saw
on one side is a weight the same as the other side
so if you move one weight farther toward the center you haven't increased the weight on the other side, but it pushes that side down

so in a way you've incresed the energy there--for no reason i can figure out except fulcrums are magic
and a wheel keeps it happening over and over

but you can only do it once without adding energy to reset the weights

i have a way to do that with molecular energy that is free
and doesn't have to be paid for with conservation of energy
and i tap gravity

how do you do it?
and what base energy are you tapping?

if you can't blab it i will of course understand

(six frippin punctuation edits, because for one thing i don't want anything moved "farter")

[Tarsier79]

Jim, hve you performed a test: PE lost vs available energy in CF?

[Dwylbtzle]

maybe we're both right and maybe neither of us even know why
maybe one or both of us are wrong about something yet maybe both our things work
after all, you believe in demon drive and i believe in faeries with flying saucers
and we're both correct about that
well there are demons but i think they drive bitchen cameros

[jim_mich]

Jim, hve you performed a test: PE lost vs available energy in CF?

Since the wheel and weights are always balanced, there is NEVER any potential energy loss or gain due to falling weights. Thus the only available test is a fully operational wheel. I cannot comment on that until the end of my plan.

I've said before that the reason no one solved Bessler's wheel is because most everyone is searching for a gravity solution. The solution is NOT gravity based, rather it is based upon the motions of paired weight-masses.

You can believe me or not. This could be just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[Dwylbtzle]

but didn't witnesses report hearing weights fall?

[jim_mich]

but didn't witnesses report hearing weights fall?

And just what type of noise does a weight make as it falls? Is it a whoosh? Or a flutter? A whistle? It certainly is not a bang noise like many noted, because a bang noise only happens when a moving weight HITS something, definitely not a falling weight sound.

[Fletcher]

Jim, hve you performed a test: PE lost vs available energy in CF?

Since the wheel and weights are always balanced, there is NEVER any potential energy loss or gain due to falling weights. Thus the only available test is a fully operational wheel. I cannot comment on that until the end of my plan.

I've said before that the reason no one solved Bessler's wheel is because most everyone is searching for a gravity solution. The solution is NOT gravity based, rather it is based upon the motions of paired weight-masses.

You can believe me or not. This could be just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Thought you might be interested in this chaps simulations as it seems closely related to your thoughts Jim.

http://www.overunity.com/12550/the-secr ... 28896/#new

[Tarsier79]

Jim my reference to gravity was purely to provide a measurable input. Your theory should operate in or out of w gravity environment

[eccentrically1]

but didn't witnesses report hearing weights fall?

And just what type of noise does a weight make as it falls? Is it a whoosh? Or a flutter? A whistle? It certainly is not a bang noise like many noted, because a bang noise only happens when a moving weight HITS something, definitely not a falling weight sound.

I think they meant when the weight hit something. Most people say "I heard something fall" when it makes a noise like it fell to the ground. If they were describing something falling before it hit something, they'd have to have pretty sharp ears. This is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[Dwylbtzle]

but didn't witnesses report hearing weights fall?

And just what type of noise does a weight make as it falls? Is it a whoosh? Or a flutter? A whistle? It certainly is not a bang noise like many noted, because a bang noise only happens when a moving weight HITS something, definitely not a falling weight sound.

that's what i meant--with my idea the weights fall on one side and hit the rim
with the TOY it's tick tick tick tick--
with a huge besslers wheel i imagine it would be shhhhuBANG shhhhuBANG
or shluCLUNK shluCLUNK
( i just thought i remembered reading somewhere someone saying they "heard the bangs as the weights fell")

[Dwylbtzle]

ok i'm TRYING to see it
trying to see how energy is created forever by increasing CF
which is done by moving one thing farther from another
while they are spinning right?

actually, here, maybe i should have said 'bringing them closer together as they are spinning"
as when a figure skater brings her arms in

[jim_mich]

Yes, the witnesses said that they "heard" the weights fall to one side of the wheel. My point is/was (and it has been discussed before by myself and others) that people cannot "hear" weights fall. They can only hear weights hit.

Falling implies that the weights were moved by gravity. That is an assumption. The wheel was rotated. Then a thump was heard. The witness assumed that the wheel was rotated by falling weights. The witness stated that the wheel began to self rotate as soon as the first weight was heard to fall. What the witness should have stated was that the wheel started to rotate as soon as the first impact of the weight was heard. The witness could not have known the reason for the motion of the weights, except that the noise began when the wheel was rotated.

Note that only the bi-directional wheels made banging noises. The uni-directional wheels made sliding or scratching type noises. In other words the witnesses could hear parts moving against other parts, which really tells us nothing except that it was obvious that something inside was moving.

So what is the more likely cause for motion of weights within a balanced wheel? Did the wheel magically become unbalanced when rotated? For that to happen it would require that the weights be lifted so that they could fall. If such a wheel was rotated slowly while lifting the weights, then if let go before they fell the wheel would have been out-of-balance backwards. And there would have been back-torque when initially rotated. No back torque or out-of-balance was noted when the wheel was being started. When rotated very slowly and let go, it simply came to a stop, due most likely to friction. But when given a little faster push then the weights inside the wheel were heard to hit, and from that point on the wheel picked up speed until it reaches is normal RPM.

Was it gravity that cause the weights to move, or did rotation of the wheel cause CF, which in turn caused the weights to move?

I strongly believe Bessler's wheel was a motion machine and not a gravity wheel.

It just seems like after 300 years of searching for a gravity solution, that is such a gravity solution existed, then someone, somewhere, would have found it.

[Dwylbtzle]

i did--took me a few years to be born

ok
as i said before
maybe yer whey works
and i KNOW my weigh works
apparently both methods produce weights hitting one side of the wheel rim from the inside
once again semantics burnt the weenie sandwhich

a person, either way, hears a sliding sound and then a thunk and, since they can't see it, they say "i heard weights fall against the side"

i can fly with that

[Dwylbtzle]

and remember what i said in another thread about CARVER amplifiers
for 100 years amp designers thought one had to piggyback energy inside the head with capacitors
this is where all the heat and most of the weight is incurred

then carver just noticed a way to run the circuit back one step
and now his amplifiers don't need capacitors

1500 watt amps about an inch thick with no distortion and they don't heat up much


google it
they kick ass
and thanks to patent law--only he can make them for a while yet
unless his patent just ran out recently

[ovyyus]

My point is/was that people cannot "hear" weights fall

I conclude, not only from this but also from other circumstantial evidence, that the weights are attached to some moveable or elastic arms on the periphery of the wheel...

Perhaps the weights did make a sound as they fell/moved?