Peak Oil

[ovyyus]

Scary stuff...

Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This is not the wacky proclamation of a doomsday cult, apocalypse bible prophecy sect, or conspiracy theory society. Rather, it is the scientific conclusion of the best paid, most widely-respected geologists, physicists, and investment bankers in the world. These are rational, professional, conservative individuals who are absolutely terrified by a phenomenon known as global “Peak Oil.”

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

[Vic Hays]

Scary stuff...

Civilization as we know it is coming to an end soon. This is not the wacky proclamation of a doomsday cult, apocalypse bible prophecy sect, or conspiracy theory society. Rather, it is the scientific conclusion of the best paid, most widely-respected geologists, physicists, and investment bankers in the world. These are rational, professional, conservative individuals who are absolutely terrified by a phenomenon known as global “Peak Oil.”

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

I have already moved out of the city in anticipation of a crash both energy and economically. THe Seventh-day Adventist church had a prophet that died in 1915. She said that this would happen before the Lord comes again. Her advice was that it was best to raise children in the country and there would come a time when people would be trapped in the city. The people who can own a piece of land to grow their own food on will live comparatively like kings and queens. Few have heeded the warning because life in the cities is comfortable at this time.

Unless new sources of energy are found there are bound to be huge readjustments in the way people live or don't live. The earth passed its carrying capacity in the eighties. There is not enough oil or water to sustain the current method of doing business. China is already fighting desertification. India, the US, Mexico, and others are already exceeding their supply of fresh water. With loss of oil production the problems will be immense.

[ken_behrendt]

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"The people who can own a piece of land to grow their own food on will live comparatively like kings and queens."


It sounds good in theory, Vic, but those people who own their own land may find themselves besieged by roaming hordes of starving former urban dwellers desperate for food. I think the landowners would find themselves in a constant battle to retain control of their land. If local and state law enforcement collapses then they would have to provide their own security which might not leave much time for planting a crop.

I think the best way to deal with the BIG CRASH is to make sure it never happens. We need common sense political, social, economic, and technological reforms NOW before the global situation deteriorates further. These are certainly complex issues that need to be addressed. Obviously, the WORLD has got to start moving away from fossil fuels to cleaner and cheaper alternatives. Hopefully, the field of free energy will finally be developed to the workable, practical stage in the next decade.

ken

[Vic Hays]

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It sounds good in theory, Vic, but those people who own their own land may find themselves besieged by roaming hordes of starving former urban dwellers desperate for food. I think the landowners would find themselves in a constant battle to retain control of their land. If local and state law enforcement collapses then they would have to provide their own security which might not leave much time for planting a crop.

I think the best way to deal with the BIG CRASH is to make sure it never happens. We need common sense political, social, economic, and technological reforms NOW before the global situation deteriorates further. These are certainly complex issues that need to be addressed. Obviously, the WORLD has got to start moving away from fossil fuels to cleaner and cheaper alternatives. Hopefully, the field of free energy will finally be developed to the workable, practical stage in the next decade.

ken

Those who store large amounts of food may have the problem of people taking it from them.
From my understanding of scripture, there will not be a complete collapse of society or local and state law enforcement or as you put it the BIG crash. In fact emergency legislation and heavy handed measures will be enacted for control. I certainly hope and have been working toward alternative energy and free energy alternatives which will mitigate some of the problems befroe that happens. Unfortunately, big money tends to favor the status quo as long as things are profitable.

Who owns most of the fuel cell research? The power companies. If fuel cells become viable, they will have to be leased from them.

Who owns the big solar facilities? The power companies. I guess it is possible to put a meter on the sun.

Roll out those Bessler type wheels and things will go easier for everyone.

[Oxygon]

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"The people who can own a piece of land to grow their own food on will live comparatively like kings and queens."


It sounds good in theory, Vic, but those people who own their own land may find themselves besieged by roaming hordes of starving former urban dwellers desperate for food. I think the landowners would find themselves in a constant battle to retain control of their land. If local and state law enforcement collapses then they would have to provide their own security which might not leave much time for planting a crop.

I think the best way to deal with the BIG CRASH is to make sure it never happens. We need common sense political, social, economic, and technological reforms NOW before the global situation deteriorates further. These are certainly complex issues that need to be addressed. Obviously, the WORLD has got to start moving away from fossil fuels to cleaner and cheaper alternatives. Hopefully, the field of free energy will finally be developed to the workable, practical stage in the next decade.

ken

this is so true...

I would recomend a food stockpile... even if only for security...

a no frills stockpile would be best...

better yet move to canada... learn how to hunt penguins and deer (while they last) and make alot of beef jerky... (lol), Also... bring a boat, becuase the poles are melting and you're gonna be screwed without a boat...

Besides they probably have a better missile defense system...

were gonna go to war over OIL... that much is sure...

they have it, we need it...

we have more bombs than they do...

Plus bush'll do it...

He a rapture nut who doesn't care about the environment or the costs of war... he thinks he'll be raptured up in a cloud?????????

So far as I hear... anyway...

he probably thinks he special and sent by god or something...

the whole system is bought and paid for anyway, so the interests of big business will rule and try to convince war is needed...

then go anyway...

I don't think we as a collective species will catch this before it falls...

"there are none more blind than those who wish not to see"...

[Vic Hays]

Who do you suppose claims to own the system?

Luke 4:6 And the devil, taking him up into a high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whom soever I will I give it.

Who will own it? (actually he already does)

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

[ovyyus]

I'm sorry, I don't believe all this divining-of-the-future clap-trap. Geez, some of you guys really believe this stuff? As Lawrence of Arabia said to his superstitious Arab friends, "nothing is written!".

Oops, I can hear my rep click down a few notches :)

[Vic Hays]

I'm sorry, I don't believe all this divining-of-the-future clap-trap. Geez, some of you guys really believe this stuff? As Lawrence of Arabia said to his superstitious Arab friends, "nothing is written!".

Oops, I can hear my rep click down a few notches :)

Your rep is safe from me. There is so much poor interpretation out there that the real stuff gets a bad rep. I use a number of sources to "divine the future". History is a real good source. If you want to know the future of humanity, just look and see what has happened in the past. Human nature has not changed much. The Bible is an excellent source only if you have the correct frame of reference. Daniel chapter 2 is a good place to find frame of reference.

Daniel speaks of only 5 world kingdoms. These are all now history except for the 5th. The first is Babylon, conquered by Medo-Persia, conquered by Greece, conquered by Rome, which was never conquered, but divided into pieces. The pieces will never be reassembled even though there have been a number of mighty men who have tried such as Napoleon and Hitler. The last 5th kingdom will not be set up by men and is soon to appear.

[Jonathan]

I agree with Vic, I've given you a + because you contribute so many good things; you're entitled to your incorrect opinions and they're not relevant to your standing as a member as long as you don't rant outside the OT forum like TK. :D

[Vic Hays]

Thank you Johnathan

Not many people realize that other people are entitled to their opinions wrong or right. Some people consider me to be eccentric, but hey, this is the Bessler wheel forum. I don't consider myself to be eccentric, just being honest that there are very real issues facing us individually and world wide. The oil economy is just one issue. It is only logical to assume that oil is a limited commodity that will one day be exhausted unless it is being continuously produced in some geological fashion. The question is only when oil will become depleted.

As far as spiritually, I have no doubt that I am mortal. I have had to examine and decide what direction I am going to go just the same as every other person must do. Some people may choose not to make a decision which is of course a decision. They are entitled to their opinion.

[ovyyus]

Thanks Jonathan and Vic, it's nice to know I can be wrongly opinionated and tolerated at the same time :D