Famous Portraits

[david jenkins]

I am still working on the Besseler codes and am having some problems finding portraits of four people. Any help would be appreciated.

Gottfried Silbermann
Arp Schnitger
Nikolai Diletski
Johann Heinichen

Dave

[primemignonite]

Dave:

Check here, you may meet with some luck:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_Historical_Society

Read the entire, it is interesting.

If you can't find them there, then their images may not exist but, I find that hard to accept because they were so famous; the first two at least.

Assuming no success at OHS, then it would be the Germans to go to.

ATB(s)

James

PS Just found these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arp_Schnitger Scroll to the bottom for links.

and,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfried_Silbermann Links are also to be found there.

Go here to search by country of origin/activity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pi ... n_builders

(FYI: Scroll down to "United States" and there, showing at the top, will be where yours truly put in his 'seven'.)

[david jenkins]

Still not able to find a portrait. I really appreciate the information though.

Dave

[Furcurequs]

This may be one of them:



..from:

http://schreider.ru/kompozitory/d/nikol ... sckii.html

Google Russian to English translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... sckii.html

Larger version:



...from:

http://azbyka.ru/forum/blog.php?b=1269

Google Russian to English translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... 3Fb%3D1269

I used the Russian name "николай дилецкий" in Google's image search.

Dwayne

[Furcurequs]

I found this interesting. It's not Arp Schnitger's portrait but it's his coat of arms:

"Arp Schnitger, Orgelbauer (1648-1719)"

...and Google's translation of the rest:

"Schnitger's coat of arms in the New Fields Church"



"The crest shows an arm reaching out of clouds, a circular pipe for construction holds. Above the crest of two crossed horns vocal to tune the pipes."

...from here:

http://www.lb-oldenburg.de/oldenburger- ... er1big.htm

Dwayne

[Furcurequs]

This is a silhouette in profile of Gottfried Silbermann and a portrait supposedly derived from it:



...from here:

http://www.silbermannorgel-crostau.de/s ... rmann.html

The Google translation from German to English:

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... rmann.html

Here is a better picture of the silhouette:



...and the same in a 1.4 MB pdf file:

http://edocs.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/vollte ... F06555.pdf

...both from here:

http://edocs.ub.uni-frankfurt.de/vollte ... 3/7806555/

Dwayne

P.S.

If all the images I hot linked don't show initially, I believe they will load if you reload the forum page.

[Furcurequs]

Johann David Heinichen:



...from here:

http://law-guy.com/classics/blog/?page_id=2614

Dwayne

[david jenkins]

Thank you all for helping me! I am researching famous people that Bessler may have had contact with. I am looking for a portrait to match the one with the missing face on Bessler's double portrait. I am assuming that they key to the AP Bible versus will be found when the person in the portrait is identified.

Dave

[Furcurequs]

Hello Dave,

You're welcome for my part. I enjoyed exercising my Google-fu and doing some investigating of these historic individuals.

I was brought up in a Lutheran church in which I was exposed to a great deal of organ music (including lots of Bach, of course). We probably even had the best organ and organist in my relative small home town in Tennessee (U.S.).

Anyway, I've not yet had any luck finding a portrait of Arp Schnitger. I did turn up lots and lots of pictures of his organs, though.

I'm not all that much into investigating Bessler's clues myself since I have so many ideas of my own I'm trying to explore, but yours is an interesting avenue of investigation, I suppose.

Have you thought of trying to match up the organ in the background of Bessler's portrait with pictures of organs from the time period? ...just a thought.

Take care.

Dwayne

[Furcurequs]

Oh, here's another example of Arp Schnitger's coat of arms:



...and here's a closeup:



...both from here:

http://www.arpschnitger.nl/schnintro.html

If you take a look, the leaf work around Schnitger's coat of arms does look a bit like that on top of the organ in one of Bessler's portraits.

Dwayne

[daxwc]

My opinion (and it is only an opinion) is that the faceless picture is of Bessler already. He has cut the face out so it highlights his transformation with a flip of the page. All his skills, trades and learning’s as a young man are on the first page, and it transforms into the highest peak; of alchemist, doctor, mathematician, and perpetual motionist. There is who he was, that is who he became. I wouldn’t be surprised if other authors did it around that time.

That being said I am glad someone is looking down this alley just in case, so keep up the good work.

[david jenkins]

I have the same thoughts about the faceless portrait being of Bessler. I want to exhaust all of the other possibilities first. Unfortunately I am unable to locate all of the portraits of known people around Bessler. The question that I keep asking myself about the portraits is, would Bessler have had the approval to publish someones portrait that has been altered/defaced. I think that he would have found that difficult.

Dave

P.S. Which document came first, DT or AP?

[daxwc]

The question that I keep asking myself about the portraits is, would Bessler have had the approval to publish someones portrait that has been altered/defaced. I think that he would have found that difficult.

I think it is fair game if the person was dead a generation, maybe even less.

Which document came first, DT or AP?

It was AP.

[david jenkins]

Thank you for interaction and the information!

Dave

[path_finder]

Dear david jenkins,

I am looking for a portrait to match the one with the missing face on Bessler's double portrait.

IMHO this is the face of Robert Hooke.
Infortunately there is no portrait of him anymore, because the conflict he had with the omnipotent Newton, which obtained the removing of all Hooke's portraits at the Royal Society.
Just a personal opinion.

edited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hooke