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Hi Jim,


Many many thanks for helping me through your always- fine inputs.


You raised an interesting question:
P-M, it is not clear in your post as to what speculation is and what is fact. You jumble them all together.
You are right, but it is because of their very nature, as a matter of fact, both are not as separate as one may erroneously think. Let me clarify my view point. Speculation may be simply a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence.

According to the grammar of science speculation is a hypothesis that has been formed by conjecturing usually with little hard evidence. A speculation gets hardened into fact after hypothesis is tested by carrying out experiments; data is analyzed to arrive at a conclusion finally in the form of facts.

Meditation is not far from speculation when it is prolong, continuous and profound, in other words, contemplation or musing on a subject or series of subjects of a deep or abstruse nature.

Other difference that I note between ‘speculation’ and the ‘fact’ is that the former is, more or less, of ‘subjective’ nature, and later is ‘objective’. In philosophy that is broadly divided in two camps, we have ‘idealist’ and ‘materialist’ who stand opposite to each other, the former advocates supremacy of the existence of ‘idea’ and ‘consciousness’ alone, and emphasizes that ultimate reality is subjective. On the other hand, materialists advocate that ultimate reality consists of matter only, and hold that thought and consciousness are by- product of matter.

Religion is of subjective nature. The complimentary view brought about by the latest theory of the physics like relativity and quantum mechanics has led to some synthesis of science and religion. Deva Ramananda has made great strides to synthesize science and religion via perpetual motion as perpetual motion by drawing on ultimate source of energy directly links us to ‘Infinite’ and ‘Absolute’.


I also believe that a complementary view of ‘objective’ and the ‘subjective’ describes the ‘ultimate reality’ in the best manner. Since ‘subjective’ and ‘objective’ are opposite, we generally find ultimate reality very much paradoxical.

"The habit of speculation is the basis for all real knowledge." As a matter of fact, the habit of speculation reminds me of great philosopher and scientist Descartes who said –“Cogito ergo sum�. Indeed ‘doubt’ is one of the best methods of inquiry. Through my speculations, I have developed habit of oscillating between different extreme views… of the intensity that I think “since I speculate, therefore, I exist.� In harmony with laws of nature, mind, brain, life and above all perpetual motion, when I write on a particular subject of my interest, I tend to switch very fast between ‘subjective’ and ‘objective’, between ‘concrete’ and ‘abstract’ between ‘higher’ and ‘lower’ and so on, then, it is natural that anyone will find my writings paradoxical or ‘jumbled’ as you have stated. Alex noted my habit as making ‘strides’.

Well, Jim, James have already suggested me that ‘philosophical’ and ‘metaphysical’ is not much welcomed here, I apologize for the long post as it has caused "stress and strain" to many members. so in future, while I write here, I will try to be more ‘objective’, and also “subject specific" as you have suggested.

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Perpetual Motionist wrote:Hi daxwc

You stated:
You don’t have to change Bessler birth date as it is highly likely Karl was a Rosicrucian, Mason or some small affiliated society…..
I had only faint idea that Karl himself was a Rosicrucian, Mason. Thanks daxwc, your gave correct information, it will definitely excite new speculations in my crazy mind.


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P-M,
I've heard that the number 5 is common in Bessler's writings. And as I've seen people suggest that it may refer to an pentagon.
This is one thing a search of freemason and pentagon came up with. Also, the Freemasonry symbol is in many of his drawings.
Still, it won't be next year until I can build what I'd like but such is life. It's just that threshers can be better than levers if you have something to flail. Much better than trying to beat the poor thing ;-)


http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pentagram.html
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Builders,Stone Masons of old ,Pyramids etc.used the units of 3,4,and 5 being the hypotenuse to get a right angle or square corner,some used a looped rope with knotted lengths and three pegs (driven into the ground)to achieve this.....feet, yards,metres does'nt matter so long as 3..4...and 5 is used ......to me that is why the figure 5 is important to Bessler.
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Hi bobriddle, Hi rasselasss,


bobriddle, when weights are heavy and their movement is swift, I don’t find much difference between levers and threshers. However, nothing is certain, and you may be still right as I don’t know much about your mechanism.


Many many many thanks for your information about free masonary, pentagon and number 5 which is common in Bessler's writings.

rasselasss stated:
Builders,Stone Masons of old ,Pyramids etc.used the units of 3,4,and 5 being the hypotenuse to get a right angle or square corner,some used a looped rope with knotted lengths and three pegs (driven into the ground)to achieve this.....feet, yards,metres does'nt matter so long as 3..4...and 5 is used ......to me that is why the figure 5 is important to Bessler.
rasselasss, very interesting information and good research by you as to why the figure 5 is important to Bessler.

In Vedas, we have emphasis upon elevating our spiritual powers to acquire insight and higher wisdom while we are trying to reveal the mystery of symbols. Vedas prescribe two types of knowledge, the higher, the spiritual, and the lower, the material. Symbols, Codes, decoding and finding clues- all relates to “higher knowledge� as they require our insight, and awakening of spiritual powers for their comprehension. Without acquiring a higher level of consciousness, if I work out codes, decoding and keep on finding clues even up to death, I believe, my work will lead me to nowhere.


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P.M.,...R.J.O.,will be remembered always for B.G.'s quote.....Now,i am become death.......it's unfortunate that quote and not his deep knowledge of the Vedas which helped him immensely with the aftermath that followed which i don't believe he really knew the outcome would be ,of what they had developed ......a heavy burden for any man.....Good Luck.
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Hi rasselasss!
P.M.,...R.J.O.,will be remembered always for B.G.'s quote.....Now,i am become death.......it's unfortunate that quote and not his deep knowledge of the Vedas which helped him immensely with the aftermath that followed which i don't believe he really knew the outcome would be ,of what they had developed ......a heavy burden for any man.....Good Luck.

Wow! You reminded one of the mind boggling episode from the history.

Yes, very sad "a heavy burden for any man" as you stated. The answer we also find in the remarks of Trinity Test Director, Harvard Physicist Kenneth Bainbridge who is said to have reacted saying, "Now we are all sons of bitches." But we know after Japan's terrible attack on the Pearl Harbor, president of America President Franklin D. Roosevelt had no alternative other than approving Manhattan Project. Also Einstein was equally guilty for having written a letter to the Roosevelt pursuing him to defend against Germans by use of nuclear energy.

This is from my notes, you will find interesting.

At 5:29:45 am in the early-morning hours of July 16, 1945 at Alamogordo, United States of America, when first atom bomb was exploded successfully, the might of atom was revealed first time. While witnessing the mighty flash of the atomic fire, steadily growing brilliant ball of flame, Dr. Robert Oppenheimer(1904-1967), the father of the atom bomb, a theoretical physicist and the Supervising Scientist of the Manhattan Project was heard to recite the following lines from Bhagvad Geeta.

“….If the radiance of thousands sun, were to burst into the sky, that would be like The splendor of the mighty one…….�

And while the gigantic cloud rose higher and higher up, he continued to chant, “I have become death, the shatterer of the world.� These ancient words, prophetic as it were, became transformed to reality, when spoken once again by Oppenheimer on that fateful early dawn of a new era. Trinity Test Director, Harvard Physicist Kenneth Bainbridge is said to have reacted saying, "Now we are all sons of bitches."

Only seven years after the first successful atom bomb was detonated in New Mexico, Oppenheimer was giving a lecture at Rochester University. During the question and answer period a student asked a question to which Oppenheimer gave a strangely qualified answer:
Student: Was the bomb exploded at Alamogordo during the Manhattan Project the first one to be detonated?

Dr. Oppenheimer: "Well -- yes. In modern times, of course.
From his strange answer one can infer that Oppenheimer perhaps was aware of existence and use of atomic weapon in lost civilizations of the world.

In his book entitled “2000 AC: Diztruzione Atomica�, (Atomic Destruction 2000. BC. ) Davenport claimed to have proof that Mohenjo Daro, one of the oldest cities in the history of human civilization, had been destroyed by an atomic bomb. The author of the book “Burmuda Triangle�, Charles Berlitz quoted passages from Mahabharta battle that describes devastating scenario caused by weapons of similar nature.
Alas! Oppenheimer had to recite destructive aspect of the trinity- the Rudra -the destroyer of the world. Very soon, we will see the creative aspect of the trinity "The Brahma"- the creator. So no wonder after inauguration of world's first huge gravity farm in the future, the Bhagvat Geeta may again get recited recalling Brahma- the creator as reciting "I am become life ..." as we know that gravity wheel has all potential to create a new world order.

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Sincerely yours,

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Hi rasselasss!

There may be some error in chronology what I stated :
…But we know after Japan's terrible attack on the Pearl Harbor, president of America President Franklin D. Roosevelt had no alternative other than approving Manhattan Project.
Or please read above as Franklin D. Roosevelt had no alternative other than taking a decision to drop atom bomb on Hiroshima.

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Franklin D. Roosevelt approved the Manhattan Project. He did not make the decision to use it, he was deceased. The decision was made by Harry S. Truman. Two of Truman's popular quotes of the time; "If you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" and " The buck stops here!"
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