A Chained Dog Is A Harnessed Horse.

[Michael]

It is my contention that the items in this paper describe partly what is found in a Bessler wheel.
This description covers a greater look at the motion of the weights under the gravity principle and a partial view of the interconnected mechanism.


1. Bessler's wheel runs by three main principles, or three kingdoms. Gravity, springs, and the interconnected principle. The three kingdoms is a theme he also used thoughout his work in coding his secrets. Bessler chose to display mostly the gravity principle in his M.T. drawings. Some of the drawings show things other than just gravity, but most of them deal with this. He might have had some drawings referring to his other two principles at one time, but destroyed or hide them. He may have never meant them to be shown publicly at all. It is my view that it was a clever device in doing so and seemed to have worked. Usually people only regard a Bessler wheel as being just a gravity wheel. As a safety precaution he did show one page that had these two unseen principles in it but it was well hidden as to what it actually was and the way to decode it is done by the saying "Do it differently". This was the last M.T. image, the toy page.

2. The toy page.
Usually when people regard Bessler it is under the guise that his wheel was solely a gravity machine, and so when the Toy Page is looked at it is regarded in this way. The image of the two men swinging hammers towards the anvil is taken to be the movement of weights in towards and away from the axel, and the jacks are generally taken to be chains. If this deals -once again- with the gravity principle then it might be plausible. It is my contention it actually deals in a very light manner with the spring mechanism, and with a little more depth, the interconnected principle.
The theme to understand it is "Do it differently".

3. The Multi segmented jack starting with long segments and ending with very short ones indicates the spring principle, and how to use it.

4. The men swinging hammers towards the anvil is a reference towards the interconnected principle and in a specific way the harnessed horse or chained dog aspects of it. The harnessed horse and chained dog carry the same meaning. Bessler gives a few references to horses in his work. In the description of M.T. 20 Bessler reminds a friend that the weights shown will not work because the horse has not been harnessed. In the poem Bessler states a herd of horses wander aimlessly in death. This is an indicator that the interconnected mechanism, or a harnessed horse is an all important principle. A herd of unharnessed horsed are aimless and will go nowhere. Only when the horse (weight) is harnessed will the wheel work.

A description of a horses harness.

When a rider of a horse pulls the left rein in towards him, the right rein is pulled away from him. The horses head turns to the left and the horse begins to walk in that direction. The opposite is also true. As it can be seen, the horse begins to follow a circular path. The basic motor functions are as follows.
One rein moves inward.
One rein moves outward.
Motion is manipulated.

This is the meaning of the men swinging the hammers. The hammers aren't signifiers of weight or weights, the anvil is. If the hammers were meant to indicate weight, they would be drawn more substantially since weight is the all important aspect of the wheel, but they are not. They are small in comparision to the rest of the drawn toy. The men and the hammers are indicators for the harness aspect of the interconnected mechanism.

5. The anvil -yes the anvil is the indicator for the weight.

When a horses movement is manipulated by the application on a harness, the horse, instead of moving straight ahead, turns, and takes a circular form of motion. The key to understanding the wheel though , and what the toy image and the harness means is "do it differently": With a wheel the weight is already following a circular path, that of the wheel. The motion of the harness isn't to guide the weight to follow a circular path then, it is to cause the weight, which is already following a circular path, to follow a type of linear path as well. In other words as the weight is moving upwards and following a circular orbit of the rim of the wheel, the harness moves, counter to the rotation of the wheel, and it's motion holds the weight and the small arm it is attatched to, referred in the poem by Bessler as the flail, in a vertical standing position. Once this weight and arm reach the top of the wheel, the harness or "chain" pull a guide pin that connects the weight and arm to the rim of the wheel and locks it, where is becomes a member of the peacocks tail. The peacocks tail is the gravity principle, and the driving force of the wheel. It is where the weights are locked into a 90 degree position with the wheels axel and it is from this principle that "the constituent parts receive their power".

6. The chained dog.

The dog and the harnessed horse are basically the same thing. The description of the motion of the dog is an indicator of the type of motion Bessler is stating his weights are taking in reference to a particular position on the wheel. It is not a reference to the fast swing Bessler says his pendula take. This is another aspect of the weights motion. The symbols encoding the motion of the dog are, slow, belly on the ground, cold, creeps slowly out of the hoop. The dog refers to the weight, the chain refers to the interconnected principle. The description is as follows.

Poem;The dog creeps out of his kennel
just as far as his chain will stretch.
He knows how to please by playing
with his toys and knick-knacks.
He wags his tail, creeps through the hoop,
and is rewarded with a pat on the paws
by the stiff fops who watch him.

The dog creeps out of his kennel; The kennel is the bottom of the wheel. The kennel is where the dog sleeps and is dormant. The bottom of the wheel is where the energy aspect of the wheel is at the lowest and in other words dormant.

The dog creeps, or creeps on his belly on frost covered ground, as some descriptions have it, indicates a long drawn out form of motion. It is where the weight moves from the bottom of the wheel to the top of the wheel. A long length of distance in a basically a structured unchanged way is the means.

The dogs knows how to play with his toys; The toys are the spring mechanism and the interconnected mechanism, and ultimately refer to the toy page.

The Dog wags his tail; The tail of the dog is the short flail arm member the weight is attatched to. It swings when the weight is at the bottom of the wheel to an upright position where the interconnected mechanism holds it to that vertical position.

The dog creeps through the hoop; I've added a drawing to show what this form of motion looks like.

This drawing shown does not show all of the weights and flail arms on the wheel, it is mearly to demonstrate the motion of the uprising weight, and shows to a limited degree the peacocks tail on the right.

When the weight begins at the bottom of the wheel (on the left hand side) if you were to draw an imaginary hoop around the wheel you'll see how the weight/flail sits inside the hoop. As the weight moves upwards it begins to move outwards and creep outside of that hoop. When it comes to the top it is fully outside of the hoop, where it locks to the rim, and becomes a part of the overbalanced gravity driven principle. The peacocks tail.

7. The two images on the very left of the drawing are two different versions of the same thing. The upper image shows ropes in the form of a harness holding the weight/arm in a standing position. The bottom drawing shows just a single rope, which is also as useful and in this image is in the form of a chain for the dog. These ropes, or chaines, are drawn in a downward fashio, but that is for illustration purposes only. In the actual wheel they would be more towards the inner of the wheel.


What I've intended to show here is a more in depth study of the gravity principle, and the basic idea of the interconnected principle.

Michael

[Michael]

Drawing

[rlortie]

Michael,

The peacocks tail will expel more centrifugal force in an extend radial mode than when closed. even though the weight has not changed. That force opening one side of the wheel could close the other side incrementally while also having energy left over. Consider the large peacock tail shape in the counter weights used on an old steam locomotive drive wheels.

The dog may pull at his chain but a horse does not pull a wagon. That is unless he has a rope in his teeth and is backing up. A horse pushes a harness by leaning into it and that in turn pulls the wagon.

This to some may read like a waste of time, but when it comes to AP and translations it may be relevant and worth thinking about.

Ralph

[Vic Hays]

Michael

Your drawing looks a lot like MT22. I think that usually a horse is said to pull a wagon even though in actuality it is pushing. I am not sure how this would be termed in German. Another thought is that a dog is smaller than a horse. This could go back to weights in pairs and perhaps a larger and a smaller weight to each pair.

[rlortie]

Michael

Your drawing looks a lot like MT22. I think that usually a horse is said to pull a wagon even though in actuality it is pushing. I am not sure how this would be termed in German. Another thought is that a dog is smaller than a horse. This could go back to weights in pairs and perhaps a larger and a smaller weight to each pair.

Vic,
your statement about un-equel weights in pairs has been an inclination of mine for some time. I believe that two weights are attached together with the smaller positioned to the outer rim. This same weight is utilized to the descending side as both weights are stacked against rim. On the ascending side the small weight prematurely forces the larger to a shorter radius.

Ralph

[Vic Hays]

Ralph,

I posted a little drawing in the thread the ducks are hungry in the community buzz. The two weights are not connected with tension lines, but similar concept. The dog plays with toys. This may refer to the types of forces the smaller weight uses to accomplish its work. What are the toys? A top? Centrifugal force ? gyroscopic action and precession? Then it receives a pat on its toes and goes back to a dormant postion . Wags its tail?

[Michael]

CORRECTION;
Where it reads Harness please replace with reins and bit or yolk.
There is still a harness aspect to the interconnected mechanism.

A description of a horses harness.

When a rider of a horse pulls the left rein in towards him, the right rein is pulled away from him. The horses head turns to the left and the horse begins to walk in that direction. The opposite is also true. As it can be seen, the horse begins to follow a circular path. The basic motor functions are as follows.
One rein moves inward.
One rein moves outward.
Motion is manipulated.

This is the meaning of the men swinging the hammers. The hammers aren't signifiers of weight or weights, the anvil is. If the hammers were meant to indicate weight, they would be drawn more substantially since weight is the all important aspect of the wheel, but they are not. They are small in comparision to the rest of the drawn toy. The men and the hammers are indicators for the harness aspect of the interconnected mechanism.

[Michael]

Map.

[Trev]

Hi Michael,
Thanks for another interesting paper.
The path of the weights is actually quite similar to the Peacockwheel picture that I posted above.
We can devising all sorts of interesting and ingenious mechanisms to move the weights in novel ways around the wheel, but what really matters is if the weights on the descending side of the wheel have the power to lift the weights on the rising side, and continue to do this, if not it stops and nothing has been gained.
I know I am stating the obvious there but that is the difficult bit – knowing whether it has the power or not, the only way to find out for sure with these complicated mechanisms is to build them and that is a lot of time and money, so a lot of ideas get bounced around here and could even be the ‘big one’, and still go by the wayside.
All this led me to the conclusion that a fully adjustable ‘test wheel frame’ is needed , one that can house and facilitate the mechanisms to move the weights in all sorts of ways , something that can be used again and again, that is easy to adjust and experiment with without having to rebuild or re-engineer the whole thing every time.

So what I have decided to build is a 4 foot wheel 6 inches wide, with 8 cross bars, made from Dexion ‘slotted Angle’, http://www.dexion.co.uk/products/kits/d ... lotted.asp this stuff is ideally suited to quick adjustment, as it all bolts together and is designed to connect at nearly any angle. A test wheel frame of this size would also get around the possible situation where someone could build the exact Bessler wheel mechanism and it not work, simply because the effect dose not show up under a certain size.

Trev.

[rlortie]

group,

for those interested in Dexion located in the UK.

Here in the US I purchase a like product at my local Ace Hardware, building supply or farm supply stores. It come in 2-3-4-and 6' lengths. It is also available in perforated flat bar that is 1-3/8" wide. great for a lot of uses and can be used over and over. This is what my pendulums are constructed from.

I just purchased 38' of flat bar this last Monday for my interpitation of MT 30 and to finish another of my own design.

Ralph

[bluesgtr44]

Are the fat juicy mice the same as the dogs and the horses? Do you believe there to be 2 sets of differing weights?

Steve

[Vic Hays]

CORRECTION;

One rein moves inward.
One rein moves outward.
Motion is manipulated.

So you think that there are two different connections to manipulate the positions of the weights? I have wondered if there might be weights on levers that lean in opposite directions. With the double connectedness this may have some relationship to what Bessler built particularly in the two direction wheels.

[Michael]

Hi Vic,

>So you think that there are two different connections to manipulate the positions of the weights? I have wondered if there might be weights on levers that lean in opposite directions.
With the double connectedness this may have some relationship to what Bessler built particularly in the two direction wheels.

You asked a question about the references to the horse, dog and cat as well didn't you, if they were references to weights?

The interconnected mechanism is a tricky affair. I think he realized the mechanism he used was and no one would probably realize it by studying what he left behind. There is a substitute Bessler drew up though and he did it for this reason in my opinion.

As for the second question the whole paragraphs have to be regarded as to what their meanings are. I could say that the horses refer to weights but whats more important is Bessler is using the phrasework ( is that a new word?) of horses to define a system where he says;

Fat lazy (dead) horses wander aimlessly, to indicate that without the interconnected principle the amount of weight and how much weight is irrelevant (in this case using horses to signify a lot), that the interconnected principle is the all important feature to making it all work.

I am creating some new pages that I'll post up in a few days. I worked a 14 hour day the other day and really need some sleep. If I don't cover some of your questions in this ask me and I'll give you a more direct answer. The work I'm doing covers a some things in more depth, including the system of hieroglyphics Bessler used on his M.T. drawings that signify how those drawings are to be read. There's some food for thought for now, did you know there were hieroglyphics on the original M.T. drawings?


EDIT, Sorry this question was by bluesgtr44
>Are the fat juicy mice the same as the dogs and the horses? Do you believe there to be 2 sets of differing weights?

Sounds good Trev.

Kind regards,

Michael

[Trev]

hieroglyphs! wow, sounds like the kind of thing JB would do, I hope your onto something there Michael.

By the way, I was wondering - in your design above, what would account for the banging heard on the middle of the descending side of the wheel?

Trev.

[rlortie]

hieroglyphs! wow, sounds like the kind of thing JB would do, I hope your onto something there Michael.

By the way, I was wondering - in your design above, what would account for the banging heard on the middle of the descending side of the wheel?

Trev.

Seen a picture of a picture of something that may be considered hieroglyphs, to me it looked like wall paper border that one would put around the wall where it meets the ceiling.

Got a thought about this horse thingy! What if he is refereing to what we call saw horses, these could be used for mobile fulcrums to alternate center of balance on weighted levers. Maybe fulcrums were called horses back then, and that is where we got the term "saw horse". Just happened to think of this, I was just outside using a set of horses to install new siding on my garden shed.

Ralph