How old are you? 8/You might come across something that I invented that I have used throughout millions of years.
Hmm... that has to break one of Newton's laws.
Does this break any of Newton's laws ?
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re: Does this break any of Newton's laws ?
preoccupied:
Hmm... that has to break one of Newton's laws.
Hmm... that has to break one of Newton's laws.
What goes around, comes around.
re: Does this break any of Newton's laws ?
Preoccupied wrote:
Being from Scotland I actually do live in a shire but we don’t get many whales here so I think my legs will be safe for now.
My opinion is that the key to Besslers wheel (if it worked) would have been done by using a combination of the known laws in an innovative way and would involve levers, fulcrums and overbalance weights to achieve movement.
This is why I think he hid the mechanism because it was so simple that once people seen it, they could easily make it.
So I might just keep looking in areas that are “less likely to be fruitful� along with other areas as well.
Us Scottish folk have got a history of innovation and invention and it has been said that the Scots invented the modern world. To be fair though, some of us scots even emigrated to America and were involved in writing some “declaration of independence� thingy which was based on something us Scots had written 400 years earlier.
And then there was John Paul Jones from Greenock who built the most powerful Navy in the world somewhere off the West coast of Scotland.
So you leave us people from the Shire alone- you never know when we might come in handy.
I have to go now- there’s a ring at the doorbell, it must be Frodo
Hi PreoccupiedHi Bilbo
Show me a drawing.
You might come across something that I invented that I have used throughout millions of years. Usually people don't look in areas you are now because it's less likely to to be fruitful since the well established physical laws make it silly to even speculate about. As long as you don't get eaten by a whale, you won't have to eat your own legs to survive.
Do you live in a Shire? Because Hobbits are neat.
Being from Scotland I actually do live in a shire but we don’t get many whales here so I think my legs will be safe for now.
My opinion is that the key to Besslers wheel (if it worked) would have been done by using a combination of the known laws in an innovative way and would involve levers, fulcrums and overbalance weights to achieve movement.
This is why I think he hid the mechanism because it was so simple that once people seen it, they could easily make it.
So I might just keep looking in areas that are “less likely to be fruitful� along with other areas as well.
Us Scottish folk have got a history of innovation and invention and it has been said that the Scots invented the modern world. To be fair though, some of us scots even emigrated to America and were involved in writing some “declaration of independence� thingy which was based on something us Scots had written 400 years earlier.
And then there was John Paul Jones from Greenock who built the most powerful Navy in the world somewhere off the West coast of Scotland.
So you leave us people from the Shire alone- you never know when we might come in handy.
I have to go now- there’s a ring at the doorbell, it must be Frodo
re: Does this break any of Newton's laws ?
Here is a description of my idea so far- If I can get it to almost work with my extremely limited knowledge and bearings from a kids toy, maybe someone on here can get it to do what I want it to do.
Or maybe it will never work but it is better to have tried than done nothing at all.
Thanks in anticipation
Description
This invention uses three main components, namely a large outer wheel with detachable weights, a smaller pinion type gear wheel and a rack type device aligned to the smaller gear wheel.
Outer wheel
According to the present arrangement there is a large wheel which rotates on a central shaft. This wheel is constructed so that most of its mass is round its outer circumference. The outer part of the wheel is connected to the shaft by spokes or arms. The wheel rotates around the shaft on a set of bearings to allow it to revolve freely.
A key aspect of the design is to have a set of detachable weights on the outer circumference which can be released at the appropriate time. These weights can also be re-attached when required and this will be explained later.
The outer wheel has its weight distributed predominately around its circumference and is equally balanced when all the weights are in place.
Pinion type gear wheel
At the centre of the wheel there is smaller pinion type gear wheel that is attached to the central shaft. This gear wheel is on the same axis as the large wheel and when a load is applied to it, will cause it to rotate in a clockwise direction only and drive the outer wheel. If a load is applied to the gear in an anti-clockwise direction, it will freewheel and have no effect on the driving of the large outer wheel. This is similar to the design of a rear wheel on a conventional bicycle where the small gear drives the larger outer wheel.
Rack type device
This device is fixed and runs vertically within the outer wheel. The rack is aligned with one side of the pinion type gear wheel and this means that when a force acts on the rack type device, this force causes the small pinion type gear wheel to rotate and in turn, the outer wheel also rotates.
The length of the rack type device can vary but will always start at the highest vertical point within the outer wheel and for the purposes of this design will extend to the lowest point within the outer wheel on a vertical plane. The rack type device will be capable of accommodating the detachable weights and these are designed to exert a force on to the pinion gear and drive the outer wheel. It should be stated that according to the present invention, there will always be a weight within the rack type device and this will mean that there is always a force exerted on the small gear wheel.
It is imperative that this force acting on the small gear wheel is sufficient to cause rotation and the diameter of this wheel will be dependent on the diameter and mass of the outer wheel and mass of the weights.
Method of operation
This describes the operating principle of the design and explains the main parts in greater detail.
With reference to drawing 1, the outer wheel (a) rotates on a central shaft (b) and has a number of weights (c) attached to the outer circumference. These weights can be attached and released at the appropriate point by mechanical means or an electrical switch.
The circumference of the outer wheel also has a mass over and above the weights and this will assist in the operation of the system.
The outer wheel also has a smaller gear wheel (d) rotating on the same axis. This gear wheel is aligned to a chain or similar type rack device (e) which is mounted onto a back plate so that when a force is applied to the rack, it causes the small gear wheel to rotate. The device is mounted onto a frame (f) so it can rotate freely.
The rack is designed so that when a weight is placed upon it, the weight will gradually cause the rack to turn and allow the weight to move downwards.
At the starting point of the operating cycle, there is a weight placed on the rack at the highest point. This weight is in addition to the weights attached to the outer wheel. This means that there is more mass acting on one side of the outer wheel than the other and this causes the wheel to turn.
The rotation speed of the outer wheel is based on a number of key factors such as the mass of the weight on the rack- the greater the mass of the weight equates to the greater the force on the small gear.
The diameter of the small gear is also important and is linked to the diameter of the outer wheel.
If we consider that the rack is almost the full length of the diameter of the outer wheel then the weight on the rack will move the same length.
If the diameter of the outer wheel is ten times that of the small gear, this would allow the outer wheel to rotate just over 3 revolutions for every time the weight on the rack moved from its highest to lowest point.
Due to the weight acting on the small gear, this would cause the wheel to accelerate as the weight moved downwards towards the bottom of the rack.
Once the weight has reached its lowest point on the rack, it connects with either a mechanical or electrical switch which releases the next detachable weight at the top of the outer wheel. This weight will act on the rack which in turn will cause the wheel to rotate.
Just after the release point of the weight at the top, the wheel will be imbalanced but the aspiration is for the wheel to have sufficient rotational momentum to be able to rotate for at least 180 degrees before it loses its momentum. This would allow for the weight at the bottom to be attached to the space left by the weight recently released at the top and the outer wheel to be balanced again. As the outer wheel would now be balanced and there is a weight acting on the rack, this would cause an over-balance and allow the wheel to continue rotating
Or maybe it will never work but it is better to have tried than done nothing at all.
Thanks in anticipation
Description
This invention uses three main components, namely a large outer wheel with detachable weights, a smaller pinion type gear wheel and a rack type device aligned to the smaller gear wheel.
Outer wheel
According to the present arrangement there is a large wheel which rotates on a central shaft. This wheel is constructed so that most of its mass is round its outer circumference. The outer part of the wheel is connected to the shaft by spokes or arms. The wheel rotates around the shaft on a set of bearings to allow it to revolve freely.
A key aspect of the design is to have a set of detachable weights on the outer circumference which can be released at the appropriate time. These weights can also be re-attached when required and this will be explained later.
The outer wheel has its weight distributed predominately around its circumference and is equally balanced when all the weights are in place.
Pinion type gear wheel
At the centre of the wheel there is smaller pinion type gear wheel that is attached to the central shaft. This gear wheel is on the same axis as the large wheel and when a load is applied to it, will cause it to rotate in a clockwise direction only and drive the outer wheel. If a load is applied to the gear in an anti-clockwise direction, it will freewheel and have no effect on the driving of the large outer wheel. This is similar to the design of a rear wheel on a conventional bicycle where the small gear drives the larger outer wheel.
Rack type device
This device is fixed and runs vertically within the outer wheel. The rack is aligned with one side of the pinion type gear wheel and this means that when a force acts on the rack type device, this force causes the small pinion type gear wheel to rotate and in turn, the outer wheel also rotates.
The length of the rack type device can vary but will always start at the highest vertical point within the outer wheel and for the purposes of this design will extend to the lowest point within the outer wheel on a vertical plane. The rack type device will be capable of accommodating the detachable weights and these are designed to exert a force on to the pinion gear and drive the outer wheel. It should be stated that according to the present invention, there will always be a weight within the rack type device and this will mean that there is always a force exerted on the small gear wheel.
It is imperative that this force acting on the small gear wheel is sufficient to cause rotation and the diameter of this wheel will be dependent on the diameter and mass of the outer wheel and mass of the weights.
Method of operation
This describes the operating principle of the design and explains the main parts in greater detail.
With reference to drawing 1, the outer wheel (a) rotates on a central shaft (b) and has a number of weights (c) attached to the outer circumference. These weights can be attached and released at the appropriate point by mechanical means or an electrical switch.
The circumference of the outer wheel also has a mass over and above the weights and this will assist in the operation of the system.
The outer wheel also has a smaller gear wheel (d) rotating on the same axis. This gear wheel is aligned to a chain or similar type rack device (e) which is mounted onto a back plate so that when a force is applied to the rack, it causes the small gear wheel to rotate. The device is mounted onto a frame (f) so it can rotate freely.
The rack is designed so that when a weight is placed upon it, the weight will gradually cause the rack to turn and allow the weight to move downwards.
At the starting point of the operating cycle, there is a weight placed on the rack at the highest point. This weight is in addition to the weights attached to the outer wheel. This means that there is more mass acting on one side of the outer wheel than the other and this causes the wheel to turn.
The rotation speed of the outer wheel is based on a number of key factors such as the mass of the weight on the rack- the greater the mass of the weight equates to the greater the force on the small gear.
The diameter of the small gear is also important and is linked to the diameter of the outer wheel.
If we consider that the rack is almost the full length of the diameter of the outer wheel then the weight on the rack will move the same length.
If the diameter of the outer wheel is ten times that of the small gear, this would allow the outer wheel to rotate just over 3 revolutions for every time the weight on the rack moved from its highest to lowest point.
Due to the weight acting on the small gear, this would cause the wheel to accelerate as the weight moved downwards towards the bottom of the rack.
Once the weight has reached its lowest point on the rack, it connects with either a mechanical or electrical switch which releases the next detachable weight at the top of the outer wheel. This weight will act on the rack which in turn will cause the wheel to rotate.
Just after the release point of the weight at the top, the wheel will be imbalanced but the aspiration is for the wheel to have sufficient rotational momentum to be able to rotate for at least 180 degrees before it loses its momentum. This would allow for the weight at the bottom to be attached to the space left by the weight recently released at the top and the outer wheel to be balanced again. As the outer wheel would now be balanced and there is a weight acting on the rack, this would cause an over-balance and allow the wheel to continue rotating
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