Thanks a lot for your thought experiments to support Jim-mich opinion that Bessler's wheel is a motion wheel and not a gravity wheel. Thought experiments are crucial as they provide a lot of insights until absolute truth is finally known.
We all do not know complete truth about the Bessler wheel, and perhaps no one knows, if anyone knows, he is not yet in the light as far as I know.All of you are saying half truths…
Let me give an analogy to make my point. When an electron jumps from a lower orbital to the higher orbital or drops from a higher orbital to the lower orbital, the electron cannot be located anywhere on energy scale between the higher or lower orbital, simply because orbitals are discrete. So in a flash, electron simply appears either in higher orbital or the lower orbital. The analogy is not perfect yet it would help to convey my opinion that in a similar way, the lower weight when it is in six O clock position, in a flash, it becomes a superior weight to resume the principle of excess weight. I mean to say that it does not travel 7, ..9.. or any hours between six O. Clock and twelve O' clock. Here, I have already supposed that there are two weights on the vertical arm, one higher and other lower. Both replace their role without traveling in between six and twelve O' clock position as there is sudden lengthening of the vertical arm at six O clock position, So, I would say that the statement of the Bessler quoted by you that “when the weight of his wheel reach the 6:00 O'clock position, in a flash it is sent to the 12:00 O'clock position. Both Wagner and us cannot understand this� is a very witty and metaphorical statement. Since the whole secret of the Bessler wheel rests on the lengthening of vertical arm, he preferred to talk cleverly and metaphorically so that wagner and his readers cannot understand this.Bessler said that when the weight of his wheel reach the 6:00 O'clock position, in a flash it is sent to the 12:00 O'clock position. Both Wagner and us cannot understand this.
But this is only a thought. I could be wrong also as you also stated and Jim Mich may still be right.
Jim Mich may be right, he always seems to be brilliant, but sometimes, great man may make great mistakes also. Yes, first law of thermodynamics is proven total wrong. And if it is proven wrong simply by mere influence of the gravity and some particular design of weights only, as in Bessler wheel, then, in my opinion, it also leads to the conclusion that gravity is a non conservative force.Because of this I do believe Jim-mich is right. but understand the ramifications. gravity may stay conservative but the first law of thermodynamics is proven total wrong.
Just think of this simple thought experiment. I have a design of the Bessler wheel consisting of eight weights. While it performs works, in each rotation of the wheel, the weight returns to their original position. They are bound to do so as there can be no other alternative in a close cycle. In physics, mechanical energy is the sum of potential energy and kinetic energy present in the components of a mechanical system. Now find out sum of potential and kinetic energy in this dynamic system as per laws of physics. Well, the sum of potential and kinetic energy must equal zero because if a body is at rest initially or it must be a constant. But it is very much obvious that Bessler wheel has unlimited energy to perform different works and it is not constant, therefore, it leads to conclusion that it violates law of conservation of energy and since Bessler wheel performs works by mere influence of the gravity, it is not conservative.
The following simple argument by Greg Alexander also leads to the conclusion that law of conservation of energy can be false in a particular situation. I would like to invite learned members here to find out if there could be any flaw in the Greg's argument.
On the same link, Greg Alexander has shown many other examples also of violation of the law of conservation of energy.Example two
“When a body such as the Moon orbits the Earth it takes a curved path which approximates to a circle. According to Newton’s First Law all bodies continue in a straight line unless acted upon by an external force. This external force is supplied by the Earth’s gravity which causes it to accelerate. Since this force has clearly deviated the Moon from its original straight line course, surely work has been done upon it as a result of the equation Work Done = Force x Distance. Indeed on opposite sides of the Earth the Moon’s velocity vector is the complete reverse resulting in the fact that every orbit its overall directional polarity reverses twice. Considering the size and mass of the Moon surely it would take mega, mega joules to achieve this and yet this process has been accomplished time and time again for literally aeons? What is the source of all this energy and why does it never dwindle? Of course the source of all this energy is the Earth’s gravitational field which most certainly will never dwindle despite the sheer number and mass of objects it may happen to attract towards itself. But does such a scenario not contradict the very law of the conservation of energy?
To put the above observation in an entirely different perspective consider a space rocket which seeks to perform the exact same movements as the Moon about the Earth but in a gravity free environment within the depths of space. Of course in such an environment there is no air resistance and hence no aerodynamics so to perform this motion the rocket would have to do the following : with a forward velocity identical to that of the Moon, thrust would need to be applied from its rockets at an exact right-angle to its direction of motion. The craft would also need to rotate exactly once every ‘orbit’ (in the exact same plane as that of its pseudo-orbit) so as to keep it accelerating at a right-angle to its direction of motion. Of course such a feat would require an enormous amount of fuel and hence an equally enormous amount of energy. However the Moon gets all this energy for ‘free’ from the Earth’s gravity so can we not assume that the Earth’s gravitational field is an unending, ever bountiful source of energy in this respect and that this observation contradicts the most basic tenet of classical physics concerning the conservation of energy?�
Proof the Law of Conservation of Energy is Wrong
Author: Greg Alexander
http://www.webspawner.com/users/energylaw
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P-M
