Simple wheel idea

[bilbo]

Hi Preoccupied

With regards to your comment :
(Quote) " Your gear moving the vertical requires equal forces. You've chosen a mechanical method that does not give you an advantage."

My idea is for the extra weight on the rack to give the wheel its advantage- not the method of driving it.

I would still really appreciate someone to come out and say this would, or wouldn't work.

I have had 534 views on this topic and believe that with the correct ratio between small and outer wheel and correct size and spacing of weights, this might just work- But then I am named after a Hobbit from Middle Earth so what do I know...

[murilo]

Bilbo,
you should see how good these guys deal to a S.American monkey! ||8>]

Since you asked for some help, my 2cents:
- there is, I think, a kind of confusion, because your wheel shows to 4 balls, or weights, turning around with it. This is already a main question... how are they going to spin? With which 'force'?

- How will this be possible if you still need to take other ball at upside?

- How are they coming to rise?

- Did I lose something? Did you ride something?

Best!
M

[bilbo]

Hi Murilo

Thanks for the question- The 4 balls are on the outer wheel and are balanced at this point.

The other ball on the rack will act on the small gear and turn the outer wheel. It can rotate on or more times before the weight on the rack reaches the bottom of the rack. at this point the weight corresponding with the top of the rack is placed on the rack, leaving a space on the outer wheel.

It is hoped there is sufficient momentum in the wheel to allow it to rotate 180 degrees where the weight at the bottom of the rack will align with the space on the outer wheel and balance it.

There will still be one weight near the top of the rack and hopefully, the rotation will continue.

[Tarsier79]

I would still really appreciate someone to come out and say this would, or wouldn't work.

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It won't work.... ;)


You have to find a way to prove to yourself the possibility or impossibility of it working. Taking the word of someone else doesn't help you at all. Henry Ford's engineers originally told him a V8 was impossible to build.

Good luck.

[bilbo]

Thanks Tarsier

What I meant to say was: "I would still really appreciate someone to come out and say why this would, or wouldn't work".

But I will fully take your point on board and continue to try and prove why it wont work in the hope to be proved wrong...!

[preoccupied]

you should see how good these guys deal to a S.American monkey! ||8>]

Is that a joke at the expense of people who criticize you?

YOU USE the math in a simple chain siphon despite people saying you create changes when you use the levers that are the working parts of your folding chain. Think about it.

Hey bilbo,
The gear is your main component and not your weights. If you had maximum weights on all components as shown in your picture the simple gear train would take equal forces. The replacement speed is also equal in the picture. For what's in the picture, if you try to add weights you will see that they will always equal out.

There is a possibilities arranging weights. If you load a number of weights in one position on the falling side and the same amount of weight on the lifting side in multiple positions you can offset when the weights will apply their force on the wheel while still loading and unloading the same amount.

[murilo]

Hi Murilo

Thanks for the question- The 4 balls are on the outer wheel and are balanced at this point.

The other ball on the rack will act on the small gear and turn the outer wheel. It can rotate on or more times before the weight on the rack reaches the bottom of the rack. at this point the weight corresponding with the top of the rack is placed on the rack, leaving a space on the outer wheel.

It is hoped there is sufficient momentum in the wheel to allow it to rotate 180 degrees where the weight at the bottom of the rack will align with the space on the outer wheel and balance it.

There will still be one weight near the top of the rack and hopefully, the rotation will continue.

Sorry, Bilbo,
I guess you are too much optimist about that enough momentum.
Think about and try a small build.
Best!
M

[murilo]

you should see how good these guys deal to a S.American monkey! ||8>]

Is that a joke at the expense of people who criticize you?

YOU USE the math in a simple chain siphon despite people saying you create changes when you use the levers that are the working parts of your folding chain. Think about it.



preocc,
I can feel that you are in crisis and I'll let you talking, ok?
TC!
M

[bilbo]

you should see how good these guys deal to a S.American monkey! ||8>]

Is that a joke at the expense of people who criticize you?

YOU USE the math in a simple chain siphon despite people saying you create changes when you use the levers that are the working parts of your folding chain. Think about it.

Hey bilbo,
The gear is your main component and not your weights. If you had maximum weights on all components as shown in your picture the simple gear train would take equal forces. The replacement speed is also equal in the picture. For what's in the picture, if you try to add weights you will see that they will always equal out.

There is a possibilities arranging weights. If you load a number of weights in one position on the falling side and the same amount of weight on the lifting side in multiple positions you can offset when the weights will apply their force on the wheel while still loading and unloading the same amount.

The chain drive in my design is always overbalanced as the weights only go on one side of it. And as there is a weight on the chain drive at the outset, this will cause the wheel, which is in balance at this point to rotate.

As it rotates to the correct point, a weight is released from the top of the wheel and acts on the chain drive.
This means that there are now two weights on the chain drive for a short time which is a bonus, but the negative is that the wheel is now under balanced.

I am still trying to simulate the release of the weight at the right time to see if the wheel has sufficient momentum to rotate the required 180 degrees.

thanks for your observations.