Georg Künstler's Ideas...

[coylo]

Wow, chill out Sevich. What an over-reaction.
Don't discredit the rest of the board for my actions - writing three little letters.

What I found amusing was, trevie's question although quite innocent, emphasized the point me and others have been making over the past year.

Gee, don't let the board get to ya, its just an internet forum!

[Georg Künstler]

Hi Trevie,

8 segmented cylinders falling forward in the wheel. Functions as described Aug. 2004 earlier on this board. As always: nothing buildt, as you can see. But I don't expect that 'experts' can change their mind, they are catched in 300 years thinking only in one direction, it is impossible.
The wheel is in balance when standstil, but not after started.

the future has begun

Georg

[trevie]

Looks very interesting, but what does it do..?

LOL!

Lol, Coylo I guess you have the same sense of humour as me..Just what I was thinking...

[Jonathan]

Georg, no one will believe you until you post a video and address why many simpler mechanisms that you've told us will do neat things don't do anything.

[ovyyus]

Well Jonathan, I somehow don't think you'll get a response from Georg.

I believe what Georg is trying to say is... if it wasn't for 'experts' such as yourself, who continually ask difficult and probing questions and demand extraordinary proof for his extraordinary claims, then we could all simply accept his ideas on face value and believe what he says.

Georg is complaining that you and your fellow 'experts' have no faith in him!

PS: Anton, you should stay.

[Vic Hays]

It is real easy to offend or be offended on the internet. Sometimes I have to swallow pretty hard to keep my pride down and maybe sometimes I don't. I would like to defend George here. He may have made some claims that he has not backed up, but obviously from the craftmanship of his models he is serious about the future of f/e. Give the guy a break. It is easy to get political and start excluding people from a group. I think George has a lot to contribute here. As with anything we have to consider each others ideas carefully. This is cutting edge (if you can call something that people have been chasing for centuries cutting edge) and as such there are bound to be good ideas as well as bad.

We should be open to peoples ideas so that they are not afraid to share them for fear of ridicule.

[coylo]

Georg's high standard of craftmanship is not in dispute here, he's well repected in this department, it is his theories that we question. Anything political has nothing to do with it.

We should be open to peoples ideas so that they are not afraid to share them for fear of ridicule.

I don't givva shit what people think about my ideas, I'll post them up regardless. You either like them or you don't, that's your decision.

Although I'm a critic of his, I think Georg follows suit, and I'll respect him for that.


coylo - still puzzled as to why Sevich is leaving over such a petty matter.

[epistemologicide]

less talk and ass kissing, less complaints and less bitching more building build it your selfs, you guys spend countless time and energy into designs that dont work so whats the big deal about this?

too much talk and silver spooning, build, i am. build or save us the crap. thanx.

[ovyyus]

less talk and ass kissing, less complaints and less bitching more building build it your selfs, you guys spend countless time and energy into designs that dont work so whats the big deal about this?

too much talk and silver spooning, build, i am. build or save us the crap. thanx.

So, are you saying that Georg's design won't work? Epi, this board is all about talk - it's a discussion board, mate.

I don't see much ass kissing (arse where I come from) and silver spooning (how's inherited wealth fit in?). I do see some people making claims and then finding offense in the reasonable questions of others - perhaps you've noticed that too. Why waste time crawling down someone else's dodgey hole! I've spent enough time doing that already.

So how's your own replications coming along?

[epistemologicide]

hi bill,

ah yes i forgot about the only flaw bill has (he is perfect in every other sense) and thats the verification of subjective results from one own experience. as this case of the person mentioning these principles for construction, the insentive to verify emperical discovery by BUILDING, does and has never been an issue with any other person here on the board.

the responsibility to show a working model is not the job of the person with the idea and or constuction. the purpose here is to develop principles and replicate them and experiment and or improve them by replication and or alternatives. and in this case keeping evey thing as the source of the infomation is ESSENTIAL. that means no jonathan plastic models to try and disprove and a tyiny part.


the whole thing as, FUCNTIONING AS IS. then lets talk otherwise *censored*

thats why i have the spacific measurements that georg used for MY construction.i see people like micheal, colo or what ever that name is along with countless others putting forth principles all the time, and EVERY one is quick to replicate and build and verify. all fail.

lets not get into this any further, end point. no more chit chat about any thing except the BUILDING. make sure you read that again before answering my post (to the others)

no mate im not saying any thing will work or not work. and you can never state so, you build and you learn. i am boged down with this roto conversion, i have to take it to abc australias new inventions along to the queensland uni. im ready to order my motors now and assemble the equipment and put it together. thats whats stoping me from finishing the rupferer. main ting is i have the resources or grants offered to me, they just need to accumulate in the next month.

if the rupferer cost 8 grand to build , i can safly say i have 27 grand to spend. so i am ready to go mate, finally, just gonna need advice for trades people to source parts and for choosen machine work and to let the grants come in over the next 4 weeks.

i asked gerog if there was a spacific person in gemany that builds his stuff, and if i could just send him the money to get it done, as i am trying to save time.

bastard of a thing (meaning my leyway) is taking for ever.

[rlortie]

Come on guys,

I sign in and open up this thread to find myself in the twighlite zone of Yahoo free-energy and energy2000.

Remember there are three basic types to form a forum. You have the armchair philosopher, the table top modeler and the trade educated blue collar.

You have to respect each in their place and rely on the blue collar to build what the others say cannot be done on the computer or by pencil and paper. I do not expect anyone here to understand or build my own ideas. Why, because first off I do not know how to draw and post pictures. My drafting is done with "T" square and straight edge as it used to be done.

I do not know diddly about math or physics but yet I can work in a machine shop or carpenter shop. With the input of the philosophers and lurkers and squawkers I learn new ideas and formulate them to my own thinking. I then pass them back hoping that they will help others. If I need help I am not to proud to ask for it. Being educated is excepting and knowing your limits. as well as excepting the fact that your resources may not be what you wish.

Those of you who work with tin cans and cardboard have no more right than the man with metal working tools to call the kettle black. How many only build on a computer, and does their end product produce energy?

What you do not want to forget is to reply and give input to others who think they have the answer (as we all do at some time). Do not gripe because some one thinks they have a tangible approach but does not bring it forth. It may be they simply do not have the capability to construct it.

We all do not have a metal lathe, Mill and table saw setting on our kitchen table.

Ralph

[ovyyus]

Hi Epi, so... to cut a long and fragmented story short... you don't know whether Georg is a loon or a genius, do you? Ah, but soon you will know!

Let me ask you this. You say you have gathered, and are still gathering, several thousand dollars in order to replicate Georg's claim. Why are you spending so much money and time on your own replication when, for less money and time, you could jump on a plane and be looking at Georg's "working wheel" the day after tomorrow? Wouldn't that be a more efficient use of your investors money?

Perhaps Georg doesn't want you to pay him a visit? But what will you do when your replication refuses to work and Georg simply tells you that you must have built it wrong - and on and on it goes - have you got that base covered?

Also, how do you explain Georg's odd behavior on this board, ie: he refuses to engage in critical discussion about his ideas and claims anyone who disagrees with him is blinded by their own expertise. Sorry mate, proof of some sort shouldn't be an issue for Georg if he's shooting straight. Something is wrong there.

BTW, I have many flaws that you're obviously not aware of (shock, horror). Anyway Ep, have a good trip and don't forget to report back.

[Joel Wright]

You took the words right out off my mouth Ralph

[ovyyus]

Geez Ralph, there you go with that black kettle thing again. Not exactly sure what you're trying to say with that.

I think we all have the freedom to make whatever claims we like, just like we all have the freedom to be critical of those claims. IMO, a claim of success to too important to let go. I think a claim, and it's source, must be resolved one way or the other. You can't always do that in the workshop.

[John Collins]

I'm with Bill on this. One of the things that bugs me with Georg is his attitude - its like he knows the secret and he's patiently waiting for the rest of us to catch up with him, meanwhile he patiently drips information and hints as to how it works and occasionally congratulates us if we seem to be making some tiny progress towards the answer (which he already knows), only his examples don't work and he doesn't know, otherwise the world would be congratulating him. And if I have to read that end signature once more....!

Maybe he does know!!!!!

John Collins