Torque calculation
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cloudcamper,
>> It would seem you would need four separate pumping systems to apply this model. What are your thoughts Bob? <<
You could be Bessler for all anyone knows. I love the weigh you put everything and hearing about a girl and a hula hoop makes me think Hawaii is a good place to be. I've visited there before in the Navy.
I've had to reread your post a few times and will read it again and again.
I like your idea of the latching system. It will take a little testing but we might be going fishing. "ve got a few rods and with a reel ala Mt 20, who knows what we might catch :-) Maybe it will be the one that didn't get a weight because we latched onto the gosh darn thing and let it take us for a boat ride like on the mighty Mississip.
>> It would seem you would need four separate pumping systems to apply this model. What are your thoughts Bob? <<
You could be Bessler for all anyone knows. I love the weigh you put everything and hearing about a girl and a hula hoop makes me think Hawaii is a good place to be. I've visited there before in the Navy.
I've had to reread your post a few times and will read it again and again.
I like your idea of the latching system. It will take a little testing but we might be going fishing. "ve got a few rods and with a reel ala Mt 20, who knows what we might catch :-) Maybe it will be the one that didn't get a weight because we latched onto the gosh darn thing and let it take us for a boat ride like on the mighty Mississip.
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re: Torque calculation
No JB here Bob, just a long deductive process where we throw all the clues out on the table like a jigsaw puzzle, then try to see what fits.
Then trying different arrangements in simulation until you've hopefully matched all the clues.
Don't take it too serious but I do hope you will retain the latching system. That was YOUR idea!
I believe that's vital as I just don't see any way to put the "horse before the cart" without it.
I know you're smart enough to figure it out from there!
Dr Peter Lindemann got me interested in latching systems with this design. It does not match JB's clues IMO but it does have an interesting
latching mechanism. I do not believe this design can work as the weights are latched/unlatched while still rotating. This would not allow an energy gain per Emmy.
With our proposed latching systems, the weights are at a dead stop when "new" rotational PE is added, so this occurs at a boundary condition between closed systems and is not prohibited.
http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/mechanical_engine.pdf
Then trying different arrangements in simulation until you've hopefully matched all the clues.
Don't take it too serious but I do hope you will retain the latching system. That was YOUR idea!
I believe that's vital as I just don't see any way to put the "horse before the cart" without it.
I know you're smart enough to figure it out from there!
Dr Peter Lindemann got me interested in latching systems with this design. It does not match JB's clues IMO but it does have an interesting
latching mechanism. I do not believe this design can work as the weights are latched/unlatched while still rotating. This would not allow an energy gain per Emmy.
With our proposed latching systems, the weights are at a dead stop when "new" rotational PE is added, so this occurs at a boundary condition between closed systems and is not prohibited.
http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/mechanical_engine.pdf
@Grimer, will post a design someone has been nice enough to do.
@cloudcamper, someone wrote a book about Bessler back in the 50's and had claimed to have found a reference to latches. I think I will be able to do a basic demonstration of the idea. I'll need to make some molds to cast weights tho.
But with wood dowels, would have flexible rods. With something built, then the xplanation would be better understood.
And with latches, it could allow for a "cross" section to work. JB was rather religious I believe. And as for the weigh you write cc, I can only hope to keep up. It brings a refreshing perspective to engineering, almost like you are writing a poetica predictata (poetry for the future).
@cloudcamper, someone wrote a book about Bessler back in the 50's and had claimed to have found a reference to latches. I think I will be able to do a basic demonstration of the idea. I'll need to make some molds to cast weights tho.
But with wood dowels, would have flexible rods. With something built, then the xplanation would be better understood.
And with latches, it could allow for a "cross" section to work. JB was rather religious I believe. And as for the weigh you write cc, I can only hope to keep up. It brings a refreshing perspective to engineering, almost like you are writing a poetica predictata (poetry for the future).
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re: Torque calculation
OK Bob, let's just get it to work, then we can write poetry!
That book you mention sounds very interesting. Any more data would be appreciated!
That book you mention sounds very interesting. Any more data would be appreciated!
re: Torque calculation
Grimer,
Here's the models the guy did. The lever at the bottom would pump the water upward while creating a seal. then as the wheel rotates, the next lever would pump the water up again.
But as cloudcamper said, with 8 weights it would rotate with a fluid motion. but if 4 weights with latches are used, then the movement can be seen an understood much better. With the latches, when the lever drops could be dictated to where in the rotation the wheel is.
Like Bessler said, a cross might work with a little faith. the lever at the bottom would need it's weight to be at 9 o'clock when the lever at 3 o'clock starts pumping. Not sure how well that would work but as I mentioned, it would be good for understanding the mechanics of this type of wheel.
Here's the models the guy did. The lever at the bottom would pump the water upward while creating a seal. then as the wheel rotates, the next lever would pump the water up again.
But as cloudcamper said, with 8 weights it would rotate with a fluid motion. but if 4 weights with latches are used, then the movement can be seen an understood much better. With the latches, when the lever drops could be dictated to where in the rotation the wheel is.
Like Bessler said, a cross might work with a little faith. the lever at the bottom would need it's weight to be at 9 o'clock when the lever at 3 o'clock starts pumping. Not sure how well that would work but as I mentioned, it would be good for understanding the mechanics of this type of wheel.
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