Bessler's wheel as a 'gift' to mankind.

[jim_mich]

In the USA, people can give money and things to other people, up to a limit of about $13,000 per recipient, before the giver has to pay gift tax. The laws are somewhat complex as to when any transaction is a gift or is a business transaction. For instance, all monies and most compensation received by an employee from his employer are taxable.

What if an inventor of a working Bessler wheel were to patent it, and then give away use of the invention to the general public. As far as I know this would not be taxable, because each person of the general public who makes use of the wheel would receive less than $13,000 of beneficial use each year from the invention. And if the inventor made known that those who are grateful for the invention may voluntarily send him gifts, preferably of the monetary type, these gifts would also not be taxable, because they too would be under the $13,000 limit.

Those who can barely afford a wheel need not send any 'gift' money to the inventor for use of the invention. Those who are more wealthy might think it a good thing to compensate the inventor for what he did to help mankind. It would be a win-win situation. And it would keep the greedy taxman out of the way.

It would be like Bill Gates giving away Microsoft Windows with every computer sold by a manufacturer, and asking in return for each manufacturer to enclose a donation envelope with each computer they shipped. Would such user donations to Bill Gates be tax free?

Just something to think about.

[ovyyus]

Catch 22. If you sell your patent to a powerful company they will not also let you give it away. If you give it away then a powerful company will pay you nothing. Without a powerful company to help you enforce your patent protection you will have less than nothing after the wolves move in.

Nice idea if the world was honest and fair. Oh, wait :P

BTW, who is Bill Gates without Microsoft's strong arm? Behind every great fortune there is a great crime.

[rlortie]

Give a child whatever he desires and you end up with a rotten kid who will never learn to appreciate anything. Adults are no different, if they do not have to earn it or invest in it they will not give a damn for your efforts and expect more.

Free Sourcing is a joke! the minute you free source, a big company will patent it and you will be lucky if they recognize the inventor.

First build a cost effective machine, one that by using accelerated tax depreciation, energy incentives, and federal grants will pay for itself in seven years. Patent it and sit on it!

Do not sell the machine, build and operate them and sell the product. Tie them to the grid by placing one at the base of every windmill.

There is a closed US Army ammunition depot near my home, it consists of over 21,000 acres with hundreds of half buried Quonset roofed storage bunkers, just begging to be filled with clean energy generators. By scooping out the floor they would hold a machine 80 feet in diameter, twice the size of a GE 120 megawatt generator weighing 365 tons.

Ralph

[jim_mich]

You guys missed the point. I guess I need to fill in the fine details.

You obtain a patent only so that others cannot monopolize it. You don't sell the patent to anyone. You let anyone make and sell the wheel under one simple very easy condition. They must agree to include with each wheel a brochure suggesting a donation to the inventor, an application for a license to use the invention which application must be mailed to the inventor, and an addressed envelope for mailing the application along with any voluntary donation. Any manufacturer who violates this simple condition is subject to a court battle as infringing upon the patent. Any wheels which are not properly registered are subject to confiscation by the inventor due to infringing the patent by using the invention without permission.

Instead of signing a royalty type agreement with each company that wants to make the wheel, a simple contractual agreement is made that each wheel must be shipped with the fore mentioned documents. It is then up to the buyer whether or not they think the inventor deserves any compensation when they register their wheel. There is no royalty paid by the manufacturer for making and selling the wheel, and thus the included documents have no intrinsic value since they are simply an advertising brochure and means for the consumer to obtain permission to use the invention. The value of the printed documents cannot be taxed as income to the inventor since they are not given to the inventor. They are an expense for the wheel manufacturer.

Anyone, including people who don't buy the wheel, but who feel they benefit from the wheel being invented, may send gifts to the inventor. And as stated above, small gifts under $13,000 are not taxable to those who receive them.

The inventor may charge a small handling fee for registering each wheel. This will be a break-even cost. Any donations given to the inventor would be tax free, and would be the only compensation for inventing the wheel.

The idea is not to become fabulously wealthy, but to simply help mankind and at the same time to make a little extra tax-free money.

[ovyyus]

Actually Jim, I think you might be missing the point. Without the means to wage war you will lose the first battle before it even starts.

[jim_mich]

Actually Bill, I think you might be missing the point. Without a reason to go to war, no battles are fought. And no one loses.

[MrTim]

Get the patent, yes. But you'd never be able to track down all of the infringers (much less confiscate their wheels), and nor should you. (Your 'helping mankind' PR would be way offset by the bad PR that would result from enforcement/bullying efforts. Unless it is part of your plan to make them pop up all over like moonshine stills...? ;-)

If you want a better royalty system, just issue licensing agreements to corporate and government entities that would use it. Like 1 cent per megawatt (maybe for the first few years.) The small users, fuggedaboutit! Leave'em alone. I figure only about 2 people per 100,000 would build a wheel system to produce their own power anyway.

rlortie:
"Do not sell the machine, build and operate them and sell the product. Tie them to the grid by placing one at the base of every windmill. "

Um, you do realize that you wouldn't even need the windmills at that point, right...? ;-)

Just look at the Hoover Dam generators. If you can get a Bessler wheel to run one of those.... ;-)

[Furcurequs]

The donation envelope that Bill Gates got from me would probably have a picture of the Windows blue screen of death, a free copy of Linux and a nice screen shot of my Linux desktop.

Oh, that reminds me. I did rescue a pretty nice Microsoft computer keyboard from the dump yesterday. It may be my best keyboard yet (and it's black!), though it does seem to be a little hard to type on. The keys are in curved rows.

Dwayne

[rlortie]

MrTim,

I totally agree with you. For the do-it- yourself-er I would provide plans and instructions, once financially recovery was made, I would be a very philanthropic person and give away a few units now and then.

And yes, I would love to get rid of the windmills, not only have they ruined my view of the Columbia River Basin, but every time a truck goes by, hauling one, I can expect to see an increase in my power bill.

Just look at the Hoover Dam generators. If you can get a Bessler wheel to run one of those.... ;-)

You are one of a few who seem to appreciate the size and scope that is feasible, a 4-1/2' diameter axle being turned by a 26' Kaplan or Francis turbine connected to a 40' diameter generator turning at 80 RPM

Ralph

[Andyb]

Jim, i agree with you to patent and let it go, i think a lot of good people would make sure you are rewarded for your skills and even better than that the people that would be contacting you would be lovely what more do we really need,a simple loving life with a good pension if possible.Further more the tec would get around a lot quicker and our economy could do with the lower energy costs and it is my belief that this tec will raise awareness to other solutions to energy devices that can be made to solve other needs that we have as beings on this planet will need ,so yes please do it soon ,just kidding Andy .

[getterdone]

Yes SIR, that's the way to go

[murilo]

Enough will be the clear recognition of inventor/invention!
The rest will come easy and naturally.
So as naturally will come all applications, evolutions and developments... and even the private 'model registrations' - not a problem and not big deal, as usual in all business classes.
TC!
M

[ovyyus]

Actually Bill, I think you might be missing the point. Without a reason to go to war, no battles are fought. And no one loses.

So let me get this right... you invent an unlimited and infinitely renewable free energy source that also turns accepted physics on it's head. You expect to control delivery of this new energy source with a patent. You then expect that your patent will prevent wrath-of-god powerful interests from taking it from you and controlling it themselves. No reason to go to war? Good luck with that.

My position has always been to forget about a patent and just go straight to the 'gift to mankind' part of the plan. The originator of such a gift would be indirectly well rewarded and no one loses.

[Furcurequs]

I would argue that the individual who goes public with a working "perpetual motion machine" would gain immediate worldwide attention, and if that person also had applied for (worldwide) patent protection then world governments would have the obligation to protect that inventor's temporary monopoly rights through the force of law - as with any other inventor and invention.

Since our endeavor is so far removed from mainstream science, no major company would be able to lay claim to it, so any real resistance (if any) would most likely have to come from the governments themselves.

Of course, though, once such an invention had been made known, with trillions of dollars of government debt and near $4 a gallon gasoline prices, there would be a huge public outcry if they tried to withhold the technology - or even if they tried to screw over the inventor.

"I got your green energy right here, you lying and corrupt political whores! Put up, or shut up and go back to where you came from - and where even your own families know that you're really just a bunch of losers!"

(A friend of mine went to high school with our current state representative, btw. He said that nobody liked the guy. ...lol It is a bit strange how that stuff works out.)

Dwayne

[jim_mich]

My position has always been to forget about a patent and just go straight to the 'gift to mankind' part of the plan. The originator of such a gift would be indirectly well rewarded and no one loses.

Before you can 'gift' something to mankind, you must own title to the ‘gift’. A patent is simply the method whereby you establish full complete title to intellectual property. If you skip the patent, then you don’t own full title to the invention. If you don’t fully own the invention, someone else will gain title to a piece of it by patenting variations. And that is not your intention of 'gifting' it away.

I’ve written about this before. To properly give away the invention, you must first gain full rights to the invention by obtaining a full strong method patent. Then you have the right to give away something that you own. If you don’t own something, you cannot give it away.