Bessler's wheel as a 'gift' to mankind.

[Grimer]

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My position has always been to forget about a patent and just go straight to the 'gift to mankind' part of the plan. The originator of such a gift would be indirectly well rewarded and no one loses.

Excellent advice. Pity Bessler didn't take it. The world would be a very different place if he had.

[Andyb]

It seems to me that we are torn between having faith that humanity will do something responsible with what we have crafted ,or weather we should make sure they do,the later being impossible ,where's the choice ,let it go there's plenty for all, lets focus on protecting our planet from our selves that will keep us busy for the next hundred years.

[The Turninator]

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My position has always been to forget about a patent and just go straight to the 'gift to mankind' part of the plan. The originator of such a gift would be indirectly well rewarded and no one loses.

Excellent advice. Pity Bessler didn't take it. The world would be a very different place if he had.

You might be right. But I want to ask you a very important question.

Suppose JB had simply published complete details of how his wheel mechanism made it turn. And then walked away from it. Please explain to me, somewhat in a step-by-step way, how the world would have been transformed in his day, and how it would be therefore a very different place now.

Bear in mind that I strongly believe that free energy is possible. I want to know , according to your opinion, how giving it away rather than controlling its fate, would have changed the world.

I strongly believe in the possibility of free energy.

I also strongly believe in the reality of economics and politics, based on greed, being forces that cannot be ignored.

[pequaide]

By trying to control it he took it with him to the grave. But it is most likely that he never had it. Who would go back to building windmills?

Once you see it; it is in your blood. You live it.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Turninator,

If Bessler’s Wheel proved to be a gravity wheel then physics would have been very different today, and most of Newton’s work would have been disregarded, Gravity would not be known as a conservative, it would be seen as a Energy Input driving the Universe.

Bessler’s wheel was not that powerful compared to the steam engines that had just come out, though once everybody Knows how it works then the great minds to follow would have improved it, so we would more and likely be using Gravity Wheels to power our Cities, and transport systems with clean power when hydrogen would have been easy made and used for our Cars, you could make the hydrogen off peak as gravity is 24/7, no need to shut down the power when you are not burning fuel.

It would be very foolish to believe that your Hydrogen and power bills would not be controlled by the people who could afford to build systems needed, and when you went to the pumps in your Hydrogen Car it would not be Tax free! You would not have to pay carbon Tax though for the Governments closed minded approch to energy and how to use it.

Hi Ralph,
when I said Bessler’s Wheel was not cost effective, that was a Bessler wheel and not Gravity wheels in general, as I said on another post, if scaled to the size of the Falkirk wheel then a gravity wheel could be possible to replace 35 one mega watt wind turbines, and give out 14 mega watts 24/7, thus justifying the size, as it would look small compared to 35 large turbines, and built near to where it is needed!

Regards Trevor

[getterdone]

I agree with most of what you said Trevor, however I'm not sure if hydrogen would be needed to power our transportation , but if it did, we'd probably be making it in the automobile (the Stan Meyers way).

Maybe half a dozen deep cell batteries getting a constant charge from a small on-board gravity wheel would be enough to get us were we wanted to go,

They say that the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is now

Just a thought

Leo

[rlortie]

Trever wrote;

when I said Bessler’s Wheel was not cost effective, that was a Bessler wheel and not Gravity wheels in general, as I said on another post, if scaled to the size of the Falkirk wheel then a gravity wheel could be possible to replace 35 one mega watt wind turbines, and give out 14 mega watts 24/7, thus justifying the size, as it would look small compared to 35 large turbines, and built near to where it is needed!

I agree! Having worked on 120 megawatt hydro generators weighing 365 tons, I am accustomed to visualizing gravity wheels up to 80 feet in diameter with no problem.

Seems the majority of members here are not accustomed to thinking of their designs in such a size. IMO the larger the diameter the more kinetic energy it will build without a large increase in width or thickness of the machine.

Install one at the base of every windmill so you have a short run to tie it to the grid. Or as I propose, a gravity wheel farm with many of them producing power 24/7..

Installing small units in automobiles for the production of hydrogen, IMO is a little far fetched at this time. The last hydrogen producer that I am aware of of had three 85 amp generators running off a Ford V8 combustion engine that produced hydrogen, it still required gasoline to make it sustainable. Fuel mileage was said to have been improved 53%.

Ralph

[Dwylbtzle]

i think if you make a demonstration model powerful enough to light a light bulb
and then power someone's lightbulb on live tv
for one hour
and then you both agree he pays you one dollar for it
(hell put it in writing, too, just to be MORE sarcastic
and make him pay by check so there's a paper trail....and write in the memo line (extra over-charge for free electricity))...

it's in the public domain
which means anyone can use it but no one can patent it

they may still find some way to kill you outta revenge
but i believe that is correct

[jim_mich]

They say that the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is now

An even better time was 50 years ago. Today my home is warm because of a 50 year old ash tree. (I counted the rings.) This tree should have lived another 50 years before becoming firewood, but somebody let a little pest come into Detroit.

Emerald ash borer (EAB), Agrilus planipennis Fairmaire, is an exotic beetle that was discovered in southeastern Michigan near Detroit in the summer of 2002. It probably arrived in the United States on solid wood packing material carried in cargo ships or airplanes originating in its native Asia.

This little EAB pest killed 100 percent of my ash trees.

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I envision power units of all sizes. And they will NOT be gravity powered. They need not use solid weights like Bessler's wheels. Instead they will use fluid that flows outward and inward on the rotating wheel. The fluid can be cheap water with calcium chloride salt acting as an antifreeze and to make the water heavier. Or the fluid can be a refrigerant which compresses and decompresses as it flow in and out on the rotating wheel, which increases the rotational torque of the wheel while also acting as a heat pump. An optional generator provides electricity. So we will use it in all kinds of applications. They can be used inside a human body as a heart replacement. Place one in the base of a beer mug to keep your suds cold and under your pizza to keep it hot. Build them as portable window air-conditioning units that both cool and heat, and with an added generator it keeps your lap top, TV, and computer charged up, and lights for the room. A little bigger unit provides energy for a whole house, and melts the ice and snow from the driveway and sidewalks, and keeps the electric car charged up. And another unit heats the swimming pool water, keeps the plastic bubble over the pool inflated, and runs the pool filters, charges up the electric lawn mower, and lights up the pool at night for those wild pool parties. A very large unit pumps water from the sea, desalinates it, and then pumps it miles inland to irrigate deserts to feed Earth's exploding population. The wheel can provide heating, cooling, mechanical power, and electricity anywhere, anytime, 24/7. Mankind can use it to live in caves, on mountain tops, in freezing weather at the poles, underground, and under the sea. With the proper light fixtures, fresh fruits and vegetables can be grown anywhere right near the food stores. Tiny little wheels can be built into cell phones and other electronic devices to keep them always charged up. Units can be built into orbiting satellites and space stations.

There will be no need for nuclear power plants and thus no excuse for nuclear energy, so all nuclear energy should be outlawed, except for limited purposes where radioactive isotopes are used for medical and other humanitarian reason.

The military can use Bessler wheels to generate mega-amounts of electricity to power death-rays to shoot down aliens when they come to steal all our Bessler wheels. (I'm joking.)

Of course I must add the usual disclaimer that I might not know of what I speak.

[Dwylbtzle]

ok--and if that works, be sure to have anything going circular taking advantage of the corealis effect and you might boost it by a coupla percent
(otherwise you will retard it a coupla percent
because you'd be fighting it)

of course, this won't matter in outer space
that's yer advantage --no gravity wheel would even WORK in outer space
your thing would
if it works

[rlortie]

Jim_Mich wrote:

I envision power units of all sizes. And they will NOT be gravity powered. They need not use solid weights like Bessler's wheels. Instead they will use fluid that flows outward and inward on the rotating wheel.

If they operate on fluid flowing outward and inward, I presume making for OB, then how do you figure gravity is not involved in creating your OB?

Or simply put; how do you create OB without the influence of gravity?

Ralph

[Dwylbtzle]

he explained it to me once, but it involved math, so....
(as i remember "balance" doesn't come into the equation because it doesn't use gravity)

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oh-as per prev. public domain post:--the reason is because if you go out and use something and charge people for it
and let them see what it is
that puts the death to both camps' bitching

you can no longer claim it as your invention alone
and no one can say "hey, i notice you never patented that, so i'm gonna, now, haha!"

because it's now OUT THERE
extant
it's part of society and industry and the economy
it's not an "INVENTION" any more
it's a human undertaking, now

like...
some jerk can't tie up "THE CONCEPT OF FARMING" in the frikkin courts for ten years because he hoed someone's field and other people started doing it too
and he wants to claim everyone saw how he had made the world's first hoe
well maybe he did
but too late now
conversely: is any patent court gonna hear any bag of worms case claiming the real owner of the hoe is here as the plaintiff?--oh yeah--the defendant says he invented it, too--when neither ever patented the idea-and people all over the country are using these new fangled things, already?
no--probably be hit with contempt of court for frivolous worm bag law suits
it's officially over-no patent office will suffer anyone, now, because people are out there using it

everyone has to shut up and just start hown
because it was used in commerce when it wasn't patented

[jim_mich]

If they operate on fluid flowing outward and inward, I presume making for OB, then how do you figure gravity is not involved in creating your OB?

Or simply put; how do you create OB without the influence of gravity?

What was it Bessler said? “And are ye yet without understanding?� Ralph, aren't you a professional engineer? Oh, and I never said a word about OB.

All wheels require OOB to rotate. But all wheels do not require gravity-type of OOB to rotate. There is also inertial OOB, while the wheel remains always gravitationally balanced.

Edit: did you notice that some uses involve placing the refrigerant filled wheel under the beer mug or pizza plate, which would be flat like a coaster you place under the mug or flat like an electric warming plate, and this no gravity involved.

[Dwylbtzle]

yes--once a jet engine starts some energy thru the vortex--nothing cares about any balance any more
it spins

you just have to make an engine
and charge me one dollar for a turbo charge on my flashlight
publicly, and demonstrably--showing clearly how it works
i'll gladly pay up
then it's in the public domain

by the way--bessler ripped that line off jesus

[Dwylbtzle]

he may have something
i don't disallow it
if he's using water and refrigerants--and triginometry
anything could happen
if he's using beer it probably could be affected by the brand, i guess
water's always a wild card:
i have been posting a series of possible theories concerning energies at micro levels
i call cheats
here's another quantum incursion:
another impingement upon our seemingly newtonian reality:
when water expands upon freezing it can split rock
and then you can use the same water over again

i suppose if you tried to make an energy generator with this principle you probably might find that you have to expend more energy raising and lowering the temperature two degrees over and over again
than you would get from the water expansion piston dynamo you were hoping for
dunno--i suppose someone could test that

but that's not the point
the energy that split the rock didn't come from the heaters and refrigerators
it came from a facility of something that happens between water molecules
which was triggered by a heat change

the energy comes from another dimension and doesn't factor into newtonian calculus much

but it CAN

water alone gives you a few of these angles to work with:
a certain elasticity--kinda sticky--tends to pull itself along
surface tension
a need to creep into capillaries--(even defying gravity for no newtonian known reason--the energy to do so coming from whence no-one knows)
lack of compressibility
the expanding-when-cold thing
(kinda just the opposite of most stuff)

(good thing, too, or the oceans woulda froze up
as the ice sank to the bottom
and there coulda been no life)

anyway--if he found yet another magic property of water that shlurps it in and out--maybe it does work
(--well that's what SHE said)
and all refrigerants
BESIDES water (it being a low-grade one, also)
are always a wild card, too
because no-one can tell me WHY the heck evaporation lowers temperatures
it's probably because when water molecules part, they slow down time, so the negative ion that gets thrown off can get away faster than light or some such thing
(ok--that was pure horse shit--but just sayin')
and think of THIS:
another example of weirdness:
when you ALMOST turn off a faucet, the pipes can start vibrating so loud and violently inside your walls--it feels like the house might crack and collapse
everyone's experienced this
and that energy doesn't come from the gravity forcing the 17 drops of water down the pipe during that time
it comes from some sympathetic vibration amplifier that gets set up because of (once again) some weird assed facility of SOMETHING that goes on between molecules of various possible substances
which, of course, also automatically brings in whatever the hell could possibly be going on between ATOMS under any certain conditions-
(just f'rinstance: it's photons passing back and forth between iron atoms that causes magnetism
and who the hell knows why or what the hell that even IS?)
-and now anything CAN happen, (and possibly will)
what will be will be and what will not be just might happen
and what coulda happened did
we just don't neccessarily know it yet
but all this might just AUGMENT his idea--if it works
i think he said all it needs is enertia and momentum and centrifugal force
and an initial push
so i think he said the general principle would work with weights but liquid would be better

jimmich, if you use my coriolis-effect booster-feature i get a percentage of all the money you're not going to make because you gave it away

(oh-and remember to switch directions of spin whenever you cross the equator)