No Height for width, work it out, its a runner if built!

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi All,
Take a look at this concept of a buoyancy wheel! plenty of leverage as the wheel is the main lever then there are sets of levers to close the reservoirs, in short it is a leverage advantage win device!

It was posted on a thread but It would be lost there so I gave it its own thread, this is a build that I want to do, but may not get time, see what you think, here it is then.

As posted more or less,
While you are about it why not try the maths on the self opening air filled reservoirs in my above post, say it is on a wheel 4m OD with the 20 reservoirs transverse mounted at the outer rim that hold 5 litres of air each when open, that is about 0.4 of a bar water pressure differential , + 0.2 bar greater air pressure to self open the reservoirs , so it will take 0.7 bar to close the reservoirs one at a time, now see how much torque force is gained by the 10 open reservoirs, and how much torque is required to close one reservoir! The above will drive a generator which will drive a small compressor, pneumatic pistons close and latch the reservoirs, and to help the efficiency when the pistons air is dumped it fills open cups at the bottom of the wheel, also the reservoirs are shaped like hydrofoils and are moveable! I also have a mechanical option, the open reservoirs are the source of the leverage in both designs, one side full, and the other empty so to speak! The mechanical option has a number of frame fixed wheels that compress the reservoirs closed at the top of the main wheel, thus all that one sided leverage to compress one reservoir about 5 to 10cm !

As posted more or less,
This design is better than I thought, because the reservoir are transverse mounted means they can be longer and slimmer, thus very little compression movement, thus levers can be added to the reservoirs to engage the frame mounted top reservoir closing wheels, there is also room to add more reservoirs, so 4 meter OD wheel can accommodate 50 reservoirs, 25 full, 24 empty, and one closing. What this means is now the design has the leverage torque of 25 air filled reservoirs x the 4 to 1 of the reservoir closing levers leverage = the value of a torque force of a 100 full reservoirs to close just one reservoir! The reservoir closing levers leverage would also be hydro foil in shape, and the leverage ratios can be played with. Hope you find this as interesting as I do.

I am going to build this if or when I get some time, I will start with a small scaled wheel with only two working reservoirs, I will put 24 bits of foam of the same shape and volume as the two working reservoirs on one side of the wheel, if the top reservoir closes and the bottom reservoir opens then I will know that it will work! this will save time and be good enough to prove the system, the odds look in my favour so its looking good. 5 litres of buoyancy lift per reservoir should work out to be about 25 x 5 x average of 1 meter of leverage away from the axle = 125 NM of force, and if I have the room for a 5 to 1 reservoir closing levers then that would be, 125 NM of force to close 1 litre of air against only a 0.7 bar pressure differential, so to me it looks very good indeed, note the above are just quick sums to see if it was worth a build, and I think it is worth a build!

I have compressed a 1.8 meter two 5 litre reservoirs joined at the middle test rig a long time ago, it took 65 kilos of force to close the top reservoir and open the bottom reservoir, that was 65 kilos of force direct, not times 1 meter leverage like the above NM Newton Meters so it is looking very good indeed. There is another advantage of increasing the air pressure and that is the volume of the reservoirs is not reduced by the lower water pressure!

Regards Trevor

[murilo]

Bro,
pls send a little draw for this.
I got lost.
TC!
M

[greendoor]

Please can we have this moved this to the fraud forum. These statements are wrong - certainly misguided if not actually intentional deceit.
Trevor - this has been your style all along, and it's an embarassing display of delusional exhibitionism. You give this forum a worse reputation than it deserves.

Buoyancy cannot offer free energy. The lifting force of buoyancy is obtained at the cost of matter (the liquid) falling down around a lighter density object. For every kilogram of mass that gets lifted, a kilogram of mass falls down. So you simply cannot get any more energy out of it than what you ultimately have to put back into to reset. You can fool yourself if you like by playing around with volume and pressure etc, but nothing detracts from the fact that for every kilogram that rises, a kilogram falls. Confuse yourself all you like with volume or pressure or force or whatever you fancy, but mass is mass is mass. What goes up must come down.

Leverage doesn't solve anything either - you simply trade force for distance, so if you raise your mass higher it will also fall lower.

Before you make bold misleading statements in a public forum like this, you need to get your facts correct. Jumping to a confusion and then adding some random numbers to prove your point doesn't help anybody, least of all yourself.

Just sayin' ...

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Greendoor,

Before you make bold misleading statements in a public forum like this, you need to get your facts correct. Jumping to a confusion and then adding some random numbers to prove your point doesn't help anybody, least of all yourself.

"Random numbers" are you sure? if my calculations are way off the mark then you can gladly move this to the fraud section!!! I will post a drawing to help you and give the values on the drawing.

With respect Trevor

Edit, I have checked my sums and there is a error, the reservoirs are compressed at the out rim so it would be x 2 nm for the reservoir compression force! thus needs a test to find the correct force needed to close a reservoir under pressure!

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Brov,

I will be posting a drawing!

Murilo hope its all good in Brazil, I may be back to Salvador, in July :-) is that the rainy season?

With much respect Trevor

[honza]

Buoyancy cannot offer free energy.

Far too much dogma in this statement.
Have you come across the "Travis effect" ?
It proves that Archimedes law is just another example of a special situation law which has been mistaken for an universal law.

http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/

[murilo]

Hi Brov,

I will be posting a drawing!

Murilo hope its all good in Brazil, I may be back to Salvador, in July :-) is that the rainy season?

With much respect Trevor

Brov, pls send that drawing.

Don't worry... no rain at Salvador!
If you take some rain to Bahia, you'll be elected their King!!! 8)
The dry weather is getting hard on Brazilian northeast! 8((((
Well, the sea still keeps a little wet.. 8[
I have had real good times down there! 8)
TC!
Muliro

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi all,
I have moved this thread to fraud! In my excitement I made a mistake with my calculations thus I humbly apologize to all members and guests, and thank Greendoor for his input that made me check my calculations, I hope you all understand how easy it is to get carried away with a idea!

I would like any more input on this subject to be posted on the fraud thread as it is the best place for this idea, it is a close call though, and I hope to post a drawing there with the correct calculations.
I hope you all understand and except my sincere apology.

Yours sincerely, Trevor Lyn Whatford