Hole in the Antarctica

[ovyyus]

Hi ovyyus
There is one Australian scientist or researcher if you wish - David Archibald. He states that the climate of Earth depends much more on Solar cycles than the human activity..
This link may be helpful;
http://www.davidarchibald.info/

Following the money trail shouldn't make it too difficult to put the pieces together:


David Archibald
David Archibald is a Perth, Australia-based scientist operating in the fields of cancer research, oil exploration and climate science. After graduating in science at Queensland University in 1979, Mr Archibald worked in oil exploration in Sydney and then joined the financial industry as a stock analyst. Mr Archibald has been CEO of multiple oil and mineral exploration companies operating in Australia. He has published a number of papers on the solar influence on climate, and is a director of the Lavoisier Society.

The Lavoisier Group
The Lavoisier Group is an organisation based in Australia that promotes scepticism of current scientific consensus on global warming. The sources of funding for the group are not public, but the Sydney Morning Herald claimed it has links to many groups that have until recently been funded as part of the Exxon Mobil climate change skepticism campaign.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Ovyyus,

there is a few here that work for the oil companies, anyone who does not believe me, lol. Times have changed, still it saves on bullets!

With respect, Trevor

Edit, bet you got the info from the guy in the papper shop lol!

[eccentrically1]

The increase in CO2 always follow the earth warming, not the other way around.

Do you have any evidence of that? A study by a reputable organization?

The earth is warming because of what then, the solar cycle? And the increasing carbon dioxide levels are from what, too many people all exhaling at once?
Or is that a politically guarded secret too?

[justsomeone]

Ecc, a good place to start would be the YouTube video called The great global warming swindle ". I would like to hear your thoughts after you watch it. :) Bill, follow the money? Billions are wasted on this hoax every year. The scientists got to keep the money flowing.

[jim_mich]

Personally, I would like a little more global warming. Yesterday was the first day of spring, and my high temperature today is a couple degrees below freezing. We had snow yesterday and my wood bin is almost empty. I'm hoping for some warmer weather the next dew days so I can cut and haul a little more wood.

[rlortie]

I have one question:

What difference does it make, what the cause is? If it is going to happen it is part of evolution. A planet is a planet, earth is no difference. Depending on your religious/scientific views, this planet was not made for our suitability, we evolved or was created to meet its environment.

We are part of the evolution and we either evolve with it or go the way of the dinosaurs. It is not a matter of saving the world it will still be here. it is a matter of us being able to sustain life on a climate changing planet.

If we are the cause, then it will cease when we run out of resources that are causing it. By then our technology will have evolved to meet the challenge.

Necessity is the mother of invention!

Ralph

[eccentrically1]

That's a good attitude.
Fortunately, you are in a minority. The technology might come too late to save those most affected in third world areas, coastlines, etc.

The video is an hour and a half. The video that explains why the swindle video is wrong is about 7:30. Hmm.

[getterdone]

Hi Ovyyus,

there is a few here that work for the oil companies, anyone who does not believe me, lol. Times have changed, still it saves on bullets!

With respect, Trevor

Edit, bet you got the info from the guy in the papper shop lol!

Hi Trev, as far as I know, I m the only member on this site that works in the oilfeilds.

As far as global warming goes, its been happening for a long time. The Titanic hit a chunk of ice that broke off of Groenland 100 years ago. There is evidense that the earth isnt the only planet that is warming up. With that said, I do beleive that we are probably helping the process by adding carbon to the natural process.

P.S. Whats a papper shop lol. I googled it up, but didnt find anything

Leo

[rlortie]

getterdone Wrote:

"Hi Trev, as far as I know, I m the only member on this site that works in the oilfeilds."

Sorry, but I know of three and you make four, two wish to remain anonymous due to conflict of interests. :-)

EDIT: Sorry again, there is another that lives in lower California and is employed as field manager over-seeing construction on a refinery in Mexico.

Costs to much and makes to much pollution to be built in the States.

EDIT #2: While your at it, check out this story, just do not ask where I got it from.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-u-nat ... 58077.html

Ralph

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi getterdone, Ralph,

I was just joking with Bill, as he thinks I am delusional, so I thought I would throw in some paranoia as well. If people do not believe me its because I have not proved them wrong yet!

If a gravity wheel did work then the oil companies would make and sell hydrogen at the pumps, but it would take over 50 year to replace the current energy systems, the governments will tax it no matter what it is, the money people will bring it to the masses and control it that for sure, the only good thing is the air would be cleaner!

Edit, Hi Getterdone, a papper shop in the above post is what we call in England a spelling mistake, or a news paper shop, news agents, or local shop, its where Bill gets all his information on global warming off the man at the checkout lol.

With respect Trevor

[ovyyus]

Personally, I would like a little more global warming. Yesterday was the first day of spring, and my high temperature today is a couple degrees below freezing...

We had the best Summer in over a decade here in Tasmania. I said to someone the other day that global warming might be OK if we can have such a beautiful Summer every year. But I guess that's just me being myopic.

Apparently, global average temperature increase leads to more extreme weather conditions as the total system becomes more active. I guess all that extra energy has to go somewhere. More extreme heat and more extreme cold and more extreme weather events. But of course those who happen to be experiencing more extreme cold will likely take a simplistic and sceptical stance against those who are measuring an average global warming trend.

If our atmosphere is the result of millions of years of plant activity then it seems reasonable that it will be effected by human activity. Especially when human activity impacts severely on plant activity, as it has done so in the last couple of hundred years. A world without plants is a world without animals.

But as Ralph says, I'm sure our ancestors will eventually invent something that might allow them to continue to eat and breed and watch antique David Attenborough nature shows on TV :P

[rlortie]

Edit, Hi Getterdone, a papper shop in the above post is what we call in England a spelling mistake, or a news paper shop, news agents, or local shop, its where Bill gets all his information on global warming off the man at the checkout lol.

I believe the definition of "Tabloid" is more fitting. A small paper with sensationalized news usually found at the checkout stand.

[Art]

Personally, I would like a little more global warming. Yesterday was the first day of spring, and my high temperature today is a couple degrees below freezing. We had snow yesterday and my wood bin is almost empty. I'm hoping for some warmer weather the next dew days so I can cut and haul a little more wood.

Don’t worry Jim , I think the average temperature increase will eventually get to your neck of the woods too but not necessarily as an increase in the actual temperature on the first day of spring .

You might notice the effect as more snow during the winter and more rain during summer because of the increased water evaporation into the air . Both will probably come in erratic quantities at erratic times as the atmosphere tries to equalise the temperature worldwide .

The following is a quote from Lawrence M. Krauss (foundation professor at Arizona State University , USA) from Cosmos Science Magazine March 2013 Issue :-

“ If you are 27 or younger, you have never experienced a single month of your life in which global temperatures were colder than average, over the entire period that this climate record exists . October 2012was the 332nd consecutive month that the world has experienced above average global temperatures. �

The undesirable effects of global warming imo are mainly to do with the biodiversity of the biosphere .

Global warming is triggering changes that for the most part are even now poorly understood by the experts studying them but the one thing that is very apparent is that they are dramatic , long term and not controllable once started. Future humans , ( if there are many ) I don’t think will look kindly on this generation .

I’m not looking forward to being dug up and being cloned so that they can upbraid me for not doing more to prevent the upcoming catastrophes , should they so decide .

Please don’t encourage the “denialists � . Get that wheel of yours going and I’ll forgive you : )

[getterdone]

Here s a video I thought was interesting, and possibly related to this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bn6Gel7yEs

[getterdone]

getterdone Wrote:

"Hi Trev, as far as I know, I m the only member on this site that works in the oilfeilds."

Sorry, but I know of three and you make four, two wish to remain anonymous due to conflict of interests. :-)

EDIT: Sorry again, there is another that lives in lower California and is employed as field manager over-seeing construction on a refinery in Mexico.

Costs to much and makes to much pollution to be built in the States.

EDIT #2: While your at it, check out this story, just do not ask where I got it from.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-u-nat ... 58077.html

Ralph

I dont understand why we dont just refine the oil in Fort Mac, and use it in Canada, problem solved.