Hole in the Antarctica

[justsomeone]

http://www.examiner.com/article/man-mad ... g-skeptics

[rlortie]

Supporting my statement that global warming is evolutionary and man is not to blame, but rather has evolved with it. We play a roll in our changing environment, if we did not have global warming, would we be living in an ice age with glaciers covering as far south as Northern U.S., as the last one did. Jim_Mich would be living in an igloo.

Check out the following link and tell me you can blame it on civilization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_glaciation

Ralph

[jim_mich]

Jim_Mich would be living in an igloo.

Ohio prosecutor seeks death penalty for Punxsutawney Phil after bad forecast

As severe cold grips the eastern U.S. on March 21, Punxsutawney Phil’s forecast for an early spring is best described as an epic failure. The prosecuting attorney of Butler County, Ohio, Michael Gmoser, wants the groundhog to pay for his flawed prediction, with his life.

[Tarsier79]

Just

Coal seam gas wells went in at a nearby town. Since then over 50 families are complaining of headaches, rashes and nose bleeds. A university studying CSG found concentrated levels of radon around the wells.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon).

The official government report is that the CSG has no environmental effect on the area, except for some background noise, which could be causing the symptoms due to stress.

My point is: Humans are unbelievably stupid and ignorant. We can study the effects of something if we can observe/reproduce it again and again, changing certain factors. We only have one earth to destroy, and a number of ways to do it.

Peoples attitude also reminds me of a tv program I saw recently, about the mining of asbestos in india. Interviewing the head of the organisation in charge, his claim was that there was no evidence asbestos caused any harm. I repeat: ignorance and stupidity. (Maybe chuck in a little greed)

[ovyyus]

Justsomeone, that article is based on a paper that was posted many years ago by a fellow named Monte Heib.

Monte Heib is a mapping engineer who is/was employed by the WV Office of Miners Health, Safety and Training. His chart numbers have been shown to be variously wrong and he has no cited credentials in climate science at all. Makes you wonder who pulls his strings?

A little bit of background research and you find yourself back on the petroleum industry campaign trail to discredit anything which might cast a shadow on their product. It's not like we don't know how this works after years of marketing campaigns by super rich company's promoting other toxic products, ie: tobacco, dodgy medications, asbestos, etc, etc. They all seem to be using the same tactics manual. Profit from delay is proven to work.

[justsomeone]

Tarsier, I am all for taking care of our planet. CO2 is not pollution. It is what we exhale and plant life live on. The man-made global warming scientific community has been caught cooking the evidence. I guess not all hackers are bad. :)

Bill, I am no fan of the oil companies but I don't blame them for defending themselves from the lies.

I would love to see a lengthy debate between experts on both sides. I don't think the man-made thinkers would agree to one.

The earth has always gone through these cycles. Nothing new here folks. There are plenty of people looking to get rich selling and trading carbon credits.

Jmho

[ovyyus]

Bill, I am no fan of the oil companies but I don't blame them for defending themselves from the lies.

That's what was said by some about the tobacco industry. They even employed doctors to stand up, hand on heart, and say that smoking tobacco was healthy. They created doubt about the scientific evidence that tobacco was harmful in order to score another few decades of free commerce. The sugar industry is at that same early stage right now. A little doubt sprinkled over a superstitious world can be worth billions.

[Art]

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CO2 levels are really only the convenient soundbite mantra in the global warming debate .

When looked at in “evolutionary � timescales , Carbon Dioxide levels are only one part of a small (but nevertheless quite critical ) part of the overall problem overtaking us at breathtaking speed .

The real problem is the spark that these few degrees of warming represent in the overall picture. A spark being applied to the explosive mixture of conditions in play on the Earths surface at this particular time .

The coming generation is about to face the brunt of these changes .

If someone or anyone is considering holding their breath to reduce CO2 levels ( a very admirable objective imo) then could I suggest that they also refrain from farting in order to help lower the atmospheric methane level .

Over the coming years you can expect to hear much more about the rapidly developing contribution that Methane Clathrates will have on our ‘explosive ’ atmospheric mixture.


See www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_release


The following two quotes are from the Wikipedia entry on clathrates ,


-----“In 2008 the United States Department of Energy National Laboratory system identified potential clathrate destabilization in the Arctic as one the most serious scenarios for abrupt climate change,�


------“ Melting of this (sea ) ice may release large quantities of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas into the atmosphere, causing further warming in a strong positive feedback cycle.�

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[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi all,

Lets all fund Sterling Allen (free energy news) to go check out this hole in the Antarctica, if the hole is big enough he can get him self a open source contract, and charge people to see it, lol!

Regards Trevor

[rlortie]

Trever,

No Way! I want it as a resource for my concentrated instant, vacuum packed post hole retail production. I am depleting my inventory of dry oil wells to chop up.

Besides, If Sterling went there, he would have to take frozen bandages for "cold cuts". After all, a hole is best described as a negative value of molecules made up of the same type positive molecules that surround said area. Will Rodgers would tell you if you are in it, stop digging.

Ralph

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Ralph,

I learn quick! now I only dig holes with a pair of steps with a spade at one end, this invention is also open source if your up for it, there most be a market for it, as there are a lot of people out there who never know when to stop digging, lol!

With respect, Trevor

[Art]

Here s a video I thought was interesting, and possibly related to this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bn6Gel7yEs

Its nice to see that there are blokes like Bill Stone ( “maverick cave explorer� ) still in the pipeline . The age of exploration is definitely not dead but unfortunately is going ‘off planet ’.

I find it interesting that Bill Stone’s inspiration for his journey is Sir Earnest Shackleton (one of the more famous Antarctic explorers ) and his recruitment slogan : -

“ MEN WANTED
For Hazardous Journey,
Small Wages , Bitter Cold,
Long Months of Complete Darkness,
Constant Danger,
Safe Return Doubtful,
Honour and Recognition in Case of Success �

If another Bill Stone were to direct his effort at the ‘Antarctica Hole’ we would have some pretty interesting information about our planet to compliment the masses of information we are obtaining about the planets .

A spin off might be that the technology of thermal underwear would be improved (it would be pretty cold in that hole I bet , the explorers would need some decent equipment )- thermal woolies would probably definitely need some space age innovation ) .

Meanwhile we could be nice and snug and comfortable outside of the Antarctic while waiting for the warmer global temperatures to arrive : )

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[getterdone]

I saw this on youtube,the coordinates aren't exactly the same

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... 3GQ50&NR=1

[rasselasss]

....B.P.P....?

[Art]

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Blue bpp ?

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