Bessler's wheel as a 'gift' to mankind.

[Dwylbtzle]

what does FWIW mean?

oh--for what it's worth?

well, if you can't patent something, then the patent is worth nothing

but if yer the inventor
you could make it so no-one can own or patent the idea
but anyone can use it
by getting it into the public domain
then you could get a jump on the competition
and make zillions anyway

(i could live on that)

YOU would be classic coke
and everyone else would be diet pepsi
or worse
hehe
royal crown or something
(i believe they are owned by the mormons)

[ovyyus]

FWIW = for what its worth

[Kirk]

No religious argument was ever won with words. It is a game of brute force.

FWIW, I largely agree with your assessment of the possibility of owning a radical patent.

I truly believe if you try to patent it the greed heads will have you in a New York minute. No good can come of it.

[Kirk]

Whats more, once they have it you will keep on buying gasoline.

[Dwylbtzle]

alas
agreed

[Furcurequs]

I wouldn't underestimate the power of true words if they were expressed in a way that couldn't be misunderstood.

Of course, though, there are still the "fundies" (of all persuasions) to contend with - who would think so literally that they would draw pictures of "dragons" and real "sharp swords" coming out of mouths.

Dwayne

[Dwylbtzle]

sirrah
you have that definition exactly backwards
a fundamentalist believes the scriptures are FUNDAMENTALLY correct
in other words:
some may be poetry--then it's to be read as poetry
if it's allegory
then it's to be read as allegory
if it's geneology--then it's someone's family tree
if it's history
then it's damn correct history, (in the case of the bible--ask any archeologist)
if it's an illustrative story--like 'the prodigal son' or something
then THAT's what it was--a story to illustrate a point
if it's prophecy and the prophet is sent by God
then his prophecies will come true
etc
etc
etc
IF IT'S SYMBOLOGY--then guess what it is...

what you mean is a LITERALIST
a literalist thinks there will be REAL dragons with the heads of REAL lions
or whatever
flying around FOR REAL

when that should have been read as symbolism

they miss the part where it says "these are signs and symbols" right in the text


when you hear someone using the word "fundamentalist" as a dirty word
ask them for the definition
and they won't be able to come up with it

in THE WORLD, "fundamentalist" seems to mean a believer(who really believes in his religion--doesn't just SAY he's that religion for social reasons) that the person using the curse word doesn't like
that's the only definition i can see
as far as the way they are using it

i even heard some jerk on the radio blabbing about them damn fundamentalists
and someone asked him about billy graham
and the guy actually said "well i don't think billy graham is a fundamentalist...i LIKE billy graham!"

believe me
billy graham is a dang fundamentalist
and you sound like one too, laddie
as am i

don't let the enemy dictate the language

[jim_mich]

If you are going to talk religion, then damn-it, start your own damn thread.

I don't give a crap about "fundies" and how they think about the Bible. I've been there, lived it, know all about it, don't have any need to discuss it here on this forum, on my thread.

If you want such a discussion, take it to off topic.

[Furcurequs]

The truth is fundamental.

...and so I consider myself a truth seeker and fundamentalist.

The "fundies" I was referring to were those who insist on arguing over the very parts that they don't seemingly understand - whether they would identify themselves as believers or skeptics.

Dwayne

[Dwylbtzle]

yeah--i understood the way you were using it

the only thing i could think else it mighta been was fundraisers

a lot of religions are just that
hehe

**************

jimmich
your thread has been answered
and it was a very good thread
thank you for it
as far as i can see your idea could work
always said so

if you want to give it away
i believe my way flat would work for you
you just have to build one and do what i suggested
i sincerely hope you do pull it off
good luck

[rlortie]

Knowing that Jim_Mich has always preferred the patent route, one must go back to his first post in query, as to why he started this thread.

I believe the inventor should be rewarded for his years of toil and financial investment. Some here have decades of time and loss of other personal items beyond expenses. For one it can cost hardship on marital relations and a few have been known to loose their businesses.

I believe in patenting, if you have a problem with the big boy's stealing it, then collaborate with one of them as your prime investor/backer.

If You wish to go the philanthropic route, apply to the Bill and Malinda Gates foundation for start up money. Promise that you will give a percentage of return to third world countries and pay back the loan.

And do not forget the seldom mentioned here "Kickstarter" program that has made some inventors millionaires practically overnight.
http://www.kickstarter.com/hello?ref=homepage
http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/cat ... ref=footer

IMO you must attempt to patent under any circumstances, if you do not, utility companies, big oil conglomerates or any investment corporation will find a way to bottleneck your invention.

Follow Jim's original plan, once the word is out, you will have investment entrepreneurs licking your boots for a chance to get on the band wagon. You will also have more friends that you ever thought possible. :-)

Ralph

[Kirk]

they can't block it if it is public domain. If it is patented they will get control. Armstrong is a good example. Free energy is worth far more. What do you think they would do for that?

[jim_mich]

I don't see Armstrong as a good example at all. Most inventors are very poor business people. It is the business side of inventing that makes the money. You can invent the most wonderful perpetual motion wheel in the world, and then totally screw up trying to make money from it in the business world.

I started this thread as a way to look at an alternate business profile. With a normal business, an inventor collects royalty payment or he manufactures his invention. In either case, he loses a very high percent of income to taxes. I was exploring how one might operate under a different business profile where all of the inventor's gain from his invention would be in the form of gifts from grateful users of his invention. Such gifts might not be taxed. In either case, you need to assert your rights to your intellectual property as a first step.

It just irks me how much taxes the government takes (by force) from people. Why is it legal for the government to take your money by threatening force against you if you fail to pay up, while a street thug can be sent to prison for taking money by threatening force against you if you fail to pay up. Why is it legal in one case while illegal in the other case?

[Dwylbtzle]

baby
if your invention works you could start your own country
and GIVE all the citizens money

i also pray you pull THAT off

[Kirk]

> Why is it legal in one case while illegal in the other case?

Different set of thieves. One has to pay the vigorish to the Capa.