Bessler's wheel as a 'gift' to mankind.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Dwylbtzle,

Yep! get them legs running, the free running hamster, motive force and some fly wheel weights, and a quick on his toes Hamster, Bessler thought it would be so simple when the buyer looked in side that he might not pay, or something like that, well it is not going to get more simpler than that, and works both ways!

Dwylbtzle sorry to get you in trouble for talking in class, it is never the one who starts the conversation that get caught, its alway the one to answer gets caught but it was worth it to see that beautiful PM Avatar again, so thanks for sharing!

With respect Trevor

[Dwylbtzle]

yes--like a hampster wheel
but gravity is the hampster
as long as the hampster is alive
and keeps running
nothing is re-set
that's what MY idea works on
thus the symbol--which is actually The Isle Of Man national flag
(the island between Great Britain and Ireland--not part of the EU, by the way)

jimmich and murillo gripe about my writing style in every post
i went away for a while and now murillo is doing it to him

some people didn't get the movie reference and then saw you and me and the ARRACHE gentlemen talking about my forum
i guess because he googled "dwylbtzle"--commented on it
and i DARED to respond to him
then you came in

and then they probably decided that NOW the thread was beat to death

can't help that
(if they hadn't already seen that,
many pages ago)

at some point any thread just becomes the last stragglers conversing casually and joking a bit
I believe my points and posts still followed the relevancy arc

[murilo]

Hi Ovyyus,

Yes! Bessler was a winner in lots of ways, what would we give to see inside his wheel? but he lost out to Newton, and the steam engine, and did not get enough funds to live out his life in comfort, if someone paid his price he would not have fallen off the wind mill!

I was being cynical, not like me I know!

With respect, Trevor

Ever seen pictures of the smog in Shanghai? coal fired steam turbine electric generation generates a lot of smog. We definitely and desperately need an alternative NOW. To invent an answer to this and hide it sniffing for the biggest piece of cheese is to spit in the face of humanity. It is the common wisdom though, our current businesss model.

DITTO!!!

[rlortie]

Dwylbtzle wrote

"some people didn't get the movie reference and then saw you and me and the ARRACHE gentlemen talking about my forum
i guess because he googled "dwylbtzle"--commented on it
and i DARED to respond to him."

Yes I googled "Dwylbtzle" and got lots of hits! Even more when I learned of your location, I have relation in Fairfield and Gooding. A sister in-law owned the now extinct 'Knotty Pine' restaurant in Stanly.

You mentioned Bruce Willis, a few of her customers also included, John Denver, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steven Seagall and few other notable celebrities, some owning property in the surrounding area.

Yes, "Forbidden Planet" is a classic, I saw it when first released and now have it on DVD. Brings to mind my favorite quote by "Jules Verne"... "If man can imagine and write about it, man will eventually build it".

The 'Arrache' gentleman is better known by "Ralph E. Lortie". or rlortie. living in Stanfield Oregon with a wife from Fairfield and known to make trips to Blackfoot via Gooding, and sometimes Fairfield.

Ralph

[Dwylbtzle]

i was referring to bruce because he's a factor in that initiative thread
he lives in hailey--moved across the street from demi when they divorced-and he gave her the old place-(to still be near his 5400 kids)
he has his own little ski resort hill right outside fairfield--but most people skip him and just go straight to sun valley (ketchum)

he was even going to PAY for the new airport--or give them the land--so it'd be nearer his place


i met him once--and, as we shook hands, i said "Hi Bruce, my name is Roy. You can call me ROY"
(line from first diehard movie)
but it looked like every roy he meets must say that
hehe

[Andyb]

God i miss pink floyd, i am going to dig all those old albums out cheers dude and steep back in time cool;Jim i have recently been made aware of bit coin as a alternative currency, there may be even more of these new currencies in the near future,how knows ,just a thought,Kirk i agree with your sense of urgency here we all need to acknowledge that we /the planet and species need our respect and help and this new energy systems will solve more problems that it creates.all the best to all.

[jim_mich]

Jim i have recently been made aware of bit coin as a alternative currency, there may be even more of these new currencies in the near future,how knows ,just a thought,

The only real original bit-coins:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5veb6v549g0

[rlortie]

Question: What are we calling bit coins?

http://mashable.com/2013/03/29/bitcoin-vendors/
http://mashable.com/category/bitcoin/

This is not what I as a child use to hear as bit coins. A quarter was called two-bits, a half dollar or 50 cents was four bits, a half and a quarter made for six bits. a dollar was worth eight bits but the term was seldom used. I do not know if Spanish pieces of eight had anything to do with this or not.

Apparently the new concept of bit-coins is not material money at all.

A Google search will bring up a number of links.

Ralph

[jim_mich]

Bit coins are simply digital money. The whole bit-coin system is handled by computers. Every single bit-coin transaction is electronically stored. There may come a day when you will not be able to 'legally' buy or sell anything without it being electronic. You will be told it is for your own good, to stop terrorists or drug dealers, but it will be used to deprive you of freedom.

[Dwylbtzle]

i remember, in 1995--the year i first heard an advertisement, on the radio, that gave out a website address--and also the year the first person i knew got ONLINE...
this guy was explaining to me that people were trying to create "digital money"--which would be some kinda code that got re-encrypted every time the unit of money got transferred
and this was so people could buy and sell things on this new internet thing

i remember thinkng: "why don't they just do it with credit and debit cards?"--which, of course, is what ended up happening
...(at that time, paypal hadn't even been invented yet)

is this the bit coin, of which you speak?
i thought everything was resolved with credit cards
are they still trying to create the digital money, for some reason?

[Kirk]

Bit coins are simply digital money. The whole bit-coin system is handled by computers. Every single bit-coin transaction is electronically stored. There may come a day when you will not be able to 'legally' buy or sell anything without it being electronic. You will be told it is for your own good, to stop terrorists or drug dealers, but it will be used to deprive you of freedom.

part of the hive mind they are promoting. Micromanagement on all levels. Socialist opium dreams.
Sadly the children will not be able to experience the world we knew, Jim.

[Dwylbtzle]

yeah--the whole thing gets scarier with the more and more stuff they insist we have to throw out there into the electronic miasma cloud that's trying to eat every aspect of our lives
but why are they still trying to do the digital money?
i thought the whole notion was obsolete and forgotten

so people can get around the banks and the credit cards?
i guess i could see that...
in fact--if this is something that's trying to find some way to keep everything private--i'd be totally behind it

[jim_mich]

i remember, in 1995--the year i first heard an advertisement, on the radio, that gave out a website address--and also the year the first person i knew got ONLINE...

I bought my first computer (Commodore Pet) a week before Thanksgiving 1979 and wrote my first computer game one week later on Thanksgiving weekend. I was first on-line some time in the early 1990's using a 300 buad dial-up modem.

[Dwylbtzle]

you were one of the pioneers--that's for sure
(i remember, in high school, in the early 70's....the push carts full of punch cards it took to write one little ol program...
when you were done writing it: you had this huge push cart full of piles and piles of punch cards--bigger than a grocery cart--and that's how you transported the damn program from point A to point B--hehe)

what's the digital money for?

[The Turninator]

How much dope, whores, Lamborghinis and whiskey can you do in 15 years?

What a warped sense of values you have. You're pathetic.
I already have enough money to buy all the dope, whores, Lamborghini s and whiskey that I might ever want to buy. I've never touched dope. I have no desire for dope. I've never been with a whore. My pick-up truck gets me from point 'A' to point 'B' just fine. I might buy another Buick or some nice car for long car trips, or maybe a motor home. I really do not like whiskey. Vodka with orange juice works just fine as a pain killer for the aches and pains of old age. It's more natural and safer than modern pain killing drugs.

Your sense of what rich people spend money on is sick. Most rich people spend excess money and often also their excess time helping other people. You seldom see it, for most of them do it quietly. Yes, there are the ass-holes who suddenly come into money and squander it on fast women, fast cars, and fast living, but they are more the exception.

I have enough money to live out the rest of my life. This thread was simply contemplating an alternate business method for a Bessler type wheel, a point that seems to have gone over your head.

Religious postings and then the rantings of an idiot are what derailed this thread. What happened, did your mommy finally let you back on the computer last night?

You are a real case. It is you who missed the point. Pathetically.

My point was that anyone who obtains the opportunity to control $200 Trillion US has an unequaled opportunity to give a gift To Mankind. The basis being $10 Trillion US per year (the rough estimate of the global end-user cost of energy per annum) X 20 year life of patent.

If an inventor somehow obtained patents and somehow controlled the use of the wealth generated and somehow stayed alive, he could choose to distribute some percent of his income to the poorest among humanity and help them greatly. With $10 Trillion per annum a man could easily spend 99.9...% of $10 Trillion on charitable good works and spend a million or less own his own hedonistic pleasures and still enjoy a blissful and comfortable life. My Bible reference to Matthew 25 exemplified these charitable good works in such a plain and understandable way that I quoted it rather than to try to explain good works in my own clumsy ineloquent way. I had no idea that it would be such an explosive act and trigger your violently paganistic atheism reaction. I did not intend to antagonize you and make you explode out of control. Your reaction was very informative. You have a pathetic lack of self control.

If an inventor chooses to give it away, patented or not, he has no further control over the fate of the invention. The opinion of this forum majority seems to widely be that somehow the invention will magically be picked up and come into widespread use. In a fairy tale that would be true. In the real world the opposite would happen; virtually everyone would ignore it and keep on doing business as usual. Business as usual being dog-eat-dog, lying and cheating and stealing and ignoring the poor. You, Jim, seem to be completely unaware of this, or at least, talk as if you are unaware of this.

I have a warped sense of values? ROFL! You jump to unwarranted conclusions much, much too easily.

I believe that a rather high percentage of people, if they became suddenly noveau rich, would dissipate their wealth on hedonistic indulgences such as dope, whores, fancy cars, and alcoholism and never give a dime to charities. So I wrote that in honesty. Show me the statistical evidence of, say, the sad history of lottery winners or recipients of similar windfalls. Tell me how many of them applied most of their wealth to charitable good works and how many of them indulged in dope, whores, fancy cars and alcoholism.

Research the top 100 of the world's wealthiest individuals and tell me how many of them give the majority of their wealth to the poor as a Gift To Mankind, and how many of them give $1.98 or less to charity.

You take things too personally. Why?


BTW, I missed your answer to my question: What would YOU do if somehow I told you how to make a wheel turn and gave it away to you and you became worth $10 trillion US per annum?

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