Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Bill,

Hi bill,
glad we agree for once!!!

So maybe you guys can leave Murilo alone now, and stop enticing him into posting, I am very sure you guys deliberately and go out of your way to wind him up!

Maybe even use him as a diversion tactic knowing other will jump in!

For what ever reason, you should stop it!

With respect Trevor

[ovyyus]

Trevor, I said I believe you when you say you believe it's just a matter or R & D. Unfortunately no amount of R & D will actually solve the fundamental problem. My guess is you don't know what I'm talking about.

[jim_mich]

Murilo needs no enticing. He just jumps in posting about his avalanche drive any chance he gets.

The word 'avalanchedrive' appears in 121 of murilo's posts.
The word 'avalanche drive' appears in 24 of murilo's posts.

The word 'avalanchedrive' appears in 8 posts by me, probable from quoting murilo.
The word 'avalanche drive' appears in 12 posts by me.

So I do not entice murilo. He needs no enticing to insert his avalanche drive into any and every conversation.

And anyone who think just a little R&D will solve murilo's wheel does not understand it.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Bill,
I know exactly what you are talking about! I even said it my self before the R&D was started!

I still think you guys are giving Murilo a hard time, and just hope it is not for sport!!!

With respect, Trevor

[jim_mich]

No, believe me, it is not for sport.

When a bug keeps bugging, you try to shoo it away,
When a bug still keeps bugging, you swat it.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Jim_Mich,

do you not see that for every post Murilo makes there is your post that follows, then comes the squobling in more posts, and I for one am sick of it, you should have put him on your ignored list years ago, your time would have been better spent on your own work!

You should be more worried about this statement, because it is a fact!

Centrifugal Force is a generated force needing a energy or force input, thus a CF device is unworkable without a energy or force input!

It Seems to me that anyone who does not agree with you does not understand.

I know you like to say it as you see it, so I have!

I wish you luck with your device, and I do mean it, I for one would love to see a PM runner!!!

With respect Trevor

[cloud camper]

Spot on Trevor!

When you are saying that you are using CF to power a device, this is no different than saying that you are using gravity. They are both conservative.

CF is just an artificial constant acceleration, just as you and I experience sitting at the keyboard.

[rlortie]

Trevor wrote: "So maybe you guys can leave Murilo alone now, and stop enticing him into posting, I am very sure you guys deliberately and go out of your way to wind him up!

I do not believe anyone is enticing or deliberately going out of there way to wind up Murilo. He does a magnificent job on his own.

A thread can be flowing smoothly without a mention of Murilo or his dream machine, and then bang! here's Murillo with his machine either soliciting or making accusations.

Go back on this thread and see if you can find what set him off. Do you see what triggered him? If so I would like it brought to my attention.

I am doing my level best to stay neutral here and be of help wherever I can, even help Murillo, but I tire of his inadvertent posts showing up on threads not related to him or his wheel.

'Arrache' has been around for a while, it has seen and analyzed many designs from all over the world. I have yet to see or hear of anyone making accusations that they were not treated properly when told their design will not work.

This leaves me to believe that the ongoing problem between Murilo, Jim and Bill is denial on Murillo's part, he refuses to accept that his machine will not run as designed.

I agree, it will not run, so now we wait to see if I become the whipping boy.

Ralph

[rlortie]

Dwylbtzle posted the following link. I believe all here of interest should sit back, open their minds and read this. I found it very thought provoking.

http://www.cuthbert-physics.com/cuthart.htm

Ralph

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Cloud camper,

that is not what I said, I only made the following statment on CF

Centrifugal Force is a generated force needing a energy or force input, thus a CF device is unworkable without a energy or force input!

With respect, Trevor

[rlortie]

Trevor,

I agree with your above statement, but I also believe that Cf can become a powerful augmentation for a machine already excited by a primary. The primary becomes a required secondary once put into motion.

Ralph

[jim_mich]

Cuthbert is an old story. I thought it had been discussed before here on the forum, but a search turned up only the recent forum postings by Dwylbtzle. It has been circulating on the internet for a long time.

But back to Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.

Centrifugal Force is a generated force needing a energy or force input, thus a CF device is unworkable without a energy or force input!

Sigh. Why do you keep saying things that you know nothing about? Yes, Centrifugal force is a generated force needing an energy or force input. But then you jump to a wrong conclusion.

Look as the title of this thread.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Ralph,
I agree, but you have to track back to find all the inputs, you cannot just call it a CF device, or you will not get a patent, induced CF device is ok, but Jim is selling it as a CF device, and that is where people are having a problem with it, and it does not help when Jim implies they are ignorant for having a problem with it!
Getting back to Murilo, he is like you in this respect, if his name is mentioned he will reply! and as you well Know we all have our own faults, I think he provides a good test for the newbies, that they can learn from, but what they do not need from the start is a load of squabbling that follows, I tracked back and it was Cloud camper, remarking on Jims abuse on Murilo.
With respect Trevor

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Cuthbert is an old story. I thought it had been discussed before here on the forum, but a search turned up only the recent forum postings by Dwylbtzle. It has been circulating on the internet for a long time.

But back to Ectropy and Maxwell's Demon.

Centrifugal Force is a generated force needing a energy or force input, thus a CF device is unworkable without a energy or force input!

Sigh. Why do you keep saying things that you know nothing about? Yes, Centrifugal force is a generated force needing an energy or force input. But then you jump to a wrong conclusion.

Look as the title of this thread.

Hi Jim_Mich,

being the inventor of a mercury piston driving two rotary devices with the pistons up and down movement due to temperature changes, and the fact that it was invented before this forum, means I may have a clue what you are talking about!

Edit, all be it they were two clocks!

With respect, Trevor

Edit, I hope you are not imply that my statement above is incorrect!

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Jim_ Mich,

Could you please be clear and precise as to what is driving your device as it is a bit confusing to the reader, I do not need any detail of the device, but I would like to know its energy sources, this would stop all the confusion on this thread!

With respect, Trevor