The application of Bessler’s Physics to Bessler’s problem!

[pequaide]

Homer might be your best argument.

In different mass Atwood’s you can apply a force F for four times as long and you will get four times as much momentum. But you will still have the same energy. How can you pull for four times as long and get no change in energy. Only Homer could explain it.

You would not have to look inside: the heat would be on the surface and you could photograph it; if it was there.

One o in loser; sorry. Same as Homer

[eccentrically1]

I don't know pequaide. You've misanalyzed the atwood states would be my first guess.

[pequaide]

We have done the Atwood's programs and math many times and its correct. There are several on line programs and the math is easy. F = ma.

And I did several Atwood's experiments; it all works.

[ovyyus]

Wouldn't a real energy gain demonstrate excess work? We know a fake energy gain can demonstrate excess wind.

[eccentrically1]

If you want to find the lost heat in your experiments, it is in you, and the string touching the pulley and the pulley axle bearings. An atwoods wouldn't work at all without friction, which is thermal energy the machine wastes, between the parts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atwood_machine

"The ideal Atwood Machine consists of two objects of mass m1 and m2, connected by an inextensible massless string over an ideal massless pulley."

So ideal Atwoods don't exist.

The thermodynamic theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvsoIjSUCa0

:)

[pequaide]

A string would be less than 1/1000 the mass to the system and it would be only the extra mass on the one side. Bearing are better than you think and it could be done over dry ice. You would expect about 4% lose with bearings and that is exactly what you get.

[Ed]

Ed,

No Defibrillator replacement yet! Received confirmation yesterday, I am due in Bend Oregon (232 miles from home) on Tuesday April 23, for the big event.

I hope to have my design ready for a dry-run test before turning off the lights.

Ralph

Edit: Wrong millage stated.

Ralph, I hope all is going fine up to he big event? I hope all goes well tomorrow and that you'll be back here soon!

[iacob alex]

Hi Ralph !
Everybody must "turn the lights" some day...you know,that's our ephemeral trajectory of life.

However ,especially for you , for the moment , try to retard as much as possible this "adventure to the outer world".

With attachment / Al_ex

[rlortie]

Ed,

Thanks for your interest and hopes.

Today, I mow the lawn and finish installing the skin on my latest creation. I am confident that it is going to give a new outlook on design criteria not related to Bessler as we interpret his writings.

Upon my return home and a few days of recovery, the glue and epoxy will have cured, I will b e ready for a test run. I do not expect any great efficiency from my first rough shod proto, but it will either confirm my concept expectations or make for a great fire to roast wieners over.

I believe IIRC that it was the Ford division "Lincoln" that introduced the unitized body concept in the 1950's, eliminating the automobile frame, still used to date in light and heavy trucks. My new wheel design relates to this transition, making for a favorable size to weight ratio.

Ralph

[Ed]

Cool. Look forward to your return.

[murilo]

Ed,

Thanks for your interest and hopes.

Today, I mow the lawn and finish installing the skin on my latest creation. I am confident that it is going to give a new outlook on design criteria not related to Bessler as we interpret his writings.

Upon my return home and a few days of recovery, the glue and epoxy will have cured, I will b e ready for a test run. I do not expect any great efficiency from my first rough shod proto, but it will either confirm my concept expectations or make for a great fire to roast wieners over.

I believe IIRC that it was the Ford division "Lincoln" that introduced the unitized body concept in the 1950's, eliminating the automobile frame, still used to date in light and heavy trucks. My new wheel design relates to this transition, making for a favorable size to weight ratio.

Ralph

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M

[eccentrically1]

A string would be less than 1/1000 the mass to the system and it would be only the extra mass on the one side. Bearing are better than you think and it could be done over dry ice. You would expect about 4% lose with bearings and that is exactly what you get.

In different mass Atwood’s you can apply a force F for four times as long and you will get four times as much momentum. But you will still have the same energy. How can you pull for four times as long and get no change in energy.

Well, even if you had an ideal atwood, it is still only converting your energy to mechanical energy. When it is released, the only force left on it (not counting air drag either) will be gravity.

So the momentum is 100% conserved regardless of the size of the masses, thanks to the ideal conditions and the only energy lost was in you when you set up the masses in the atwood. You are part of the atwood system, and we are not efficient machines.

There is not supposed to be a net change in energy. It is the same before and after. That's the conservation part "you can't win".