I apologise for my outburst to everybody and especially to Tommyk.
My first reply to this post WAS sincere as I was pleased that someone may have finally done it. Genuine good luck to him. No sarcasim was ever intended. Nor do I have some ravaging greed inside me. I personally don't wish to replicate anything, but I do feel for those people who do as they have a real passion for this stuff. I am a bit of a skeptic myself, but I try to have an open mind. It's difficult sometimes. That's me. I do enjoy this great website and I hope my opinions are generally welcome. I hope that's okay with everybody. Bye.
Tommy K
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Duplicator
re: Tommy K
TommyK, Has this discussion board helped you in any way to your success? And if yes....
re: Tommy K
I concur with sek and Duplicator.
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re: Tommy K
Hi Johnathan,
When I said bases covered I was referring to people who try to scare me with CT's.
Duplicator,
The board has not helped, but information from the main web-site has.
Actually I believe I have helped the board. I have clearly stated how the pendulum works, how it makes 2 stops etc. It seems that everybody who is impatient to view the patent would like me to just build it for them.
Johnathan again,
You are on the right track, but as you stated you are working with kinectics. That is lightweight plastic no? Go to an auto parts store and buy a brake rotor. Then get a good axle for that hole in the middle. LOL. You need that mass in the center Johnathan. That is what is sending the forces to the exterior. I have hinted this to you in other threads.
When I said bases covered I was referring to people who try to scare me with CT's.
Duplicator,
The board has not helped, but information from the main web-site has.
Actually I believe I have helped the board. I have clearly stated how the pendulum works, how it makes 2 stops etc. It seems that everybody who is impatient to view the patent would like me to just build it for them.
Johnathan again,
You are on the right track, but as you stated you are working with kinectics. That is lightweight plastic no? Go to an auto parts store and buy a brake rotor. Then get a good axle for that hole in the middle. LOL. You need that mass in the center Johnathan. That is what is sending the forces to the exterior. I have hinted this to you in other threads.
re: Tommy K
First, I disagree, you have not told us how the pendulum works, you have told us vaguely what it does. You haven't elaborated on the spring and balance bar at all.
As to you comment about impatience, I don't understand why you didn't patent the device before telling us about it.
For the time being, I am not interested in a powerful model, only a working one. I don't want to invest any money into making it until I know what it is I'm making.
As to you comment about impatience, I don't understand why you didn't patent the device before telling us about it.
For the time being, I am not interested in a powerful model, only a working one. I don't want to invest any money into making it until I know what it is I'm making.
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re: Tommy K
Johnathan,
I have explained that the hairspring gives the pendulum the restoring force that it needs. I have also told you that you need the balanced bar and you can clearly see that there is an additional weight at the end.
I never applied for a patent for the method before because I never realized that it violated laws of physics. I am not a physics major.
I came across this web-site quite by accident while doing some research on a gravity powered drive. My research was not for pendulums.
After a comment made by another user it came to my understanding of the value of this method. I have agreed to disclose it to the users of this board but not until I have secured the method. I have posted enough information for using the method but it is up to you to piece together. I am being fair. Do you want me to build it for you?
What is your motive for needing to know the answer so quickly?
What are your intentions if you knew this technology?
I have explained that the hairspring gives the pendulum the restoring force that it needs. I have also told you that you need the balanced bar and you can clearly see that there is an additional weight at the end.
I never applied for a patent for the method before because I never realized that it violated laws of physics. I am not a physics major.
I came across this web-site quite by accident while doing some research on a gravity powered drive. My research was not for pendulums.
After a comment made by another user it came to my understanding of the value of this method. I have agreed to disclose it to the users of this board but not until I have secured the method. I have posted enough information for using the method but it is up to you to piece together. I am being fair. Do you want me to build it for you?
What is your motive for needing to know the answer so quickly?
What are your intentions if you knew this technology?
re: Tommy K
I'm sorry, I now this impatience is annoying, but please, go back and read that post by sek, that, along with my post several previous, is my motive. As to my specific plan, I would first built a prototype. If it works, I would add credence to your claims and start work on larger version. I would probably build several progressively larger versions possibly making any improvments I think of, to the point of making one to power my house. I havn't planned beyond that.
As I continue to point out, it is my opinion that securing the method is irrelevant, it is the technology that is important. I am very religous, and so believe that in the end it doesn't matter who gets the credit (of course it would preferably be you, but there are a lot of guests here). I understand why you wouldn't want to share it yet. The way I see it, once everyone has a device like this, life will be so much easier that world wide the human condition would improve, there'd be less crime, less tensions, less need. At that point, everyone's quality of life will increase, so evreyone will be rich, regardless of who gets credit or who patents it or anything.
I am also aware that this could also be veiwed as my attempts to convince you to tell us so that I could take credit, and I don't think I could conclusivly prove otherwise. To my credit though, Sevich sends me many of his ideas by email long before they get on the board, and I make models and test them and tell him what I think, but you never see me take credit for them. And it's not like they are stupid ideas either.
Besides the very claim of a gravity powered device, your claim that you didn't know this was revolutionary is astonishing to me. If it wasn't, they'd be everywhere already!
Anyway, I do see that I haven't made it clear how much I do appreciate knowing anything of this, as it has sparked many hours of thought and more ideas than I have time to test. To increase the time I spend working on this stuff, I have completely rearranged my schedule to a nocturnal one. And Sevich can attest to that too, as I often return his emails immediatly despite the fact that he is one the other side of the world.
You have shown and told us that there is a spring and a balance bar on a pendulum, the pendulum swings through 180 degrees and interacts with a ratchet and on a flywheel through the ratchet and with tabs. At this point this is all I have, I'm stil not clear about if the flywheel is balanced or not, if the flywheel and the pendulum are coaxial, or how the spring and balance bar play into things. Granted this is a lot, but there are many combinations that it doesn't rule out, and I don't think I could get one to work with this.
Well, I look forward to you giving us the patent then.
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One more thing, if it is specifically the countless unnamed guests you are worried about, you can make a private topic in the memeber forum, and only you, Scott, and then anyone you give permission, can see the idea. Regardless, do you know when it will be patented, or is that up to the patent clerks?
As I continue to point out, it is my opinion that securing the method is irrelevant, it is the technology that is important. I am very religous, and so believe that in the end it doesn't matter who gets the credit (of course it would preferably be you, but there are a lot of guests here). I understand why you wouldn't want to share it yet. The way I see it, once everyone has a device like this, life will be so much easier that world wide the human condition would improve, there'd be less crime, less tensions, less need. At that point, everyone's quality of life will increase, so evreyone will be rich, regardless of who gets credit or who patents it or anything.
I am also aware that this could also be veiwed as my attempts to convince you to tell us so that I could take credit, and I don't think I could conclusivly prove otherwise. To my credit though, Sevich sends me many of his ideas by email long before they get on the board, and I make models and test them and tell him what I think, but you never see me take credit for them. And it's not like they are stupid ideas either.
Besides the very claim of a gravity powered device, your claim that you didn't know this was revolutionary is astonishing to me. If it wasn't, they'd be everywhere already!
Anyway, I do see that I haven't made it clear how much I do appreciate knowing anything of this, as it has sparked many hours of thought and more ideas than I have time to test. To increase the time I spend working on this stuff, I have completely rearranged my schedule to a nocturnal one. And Sevich can attest to that too, as I often return his emails immediatly despite the fact that he is one the other side of the world.
You have shown and told us that there is a spring and a balance bar on a pendulum, the pendulum swings through 180 degrees and interacts with a ratchet and on a flywheel through the ratchet and with tabs. At this point this is all I have, I'm stil not clear about if the flywheel is balanced or not, if the flywheel and the pendulum are coaxial, or how the spring and balance bar play into things. Granted this is a lot, but there are many combinations that it doesn't rule out, and I don't think I could get one to work with this.
Well, I look forward to you giving us the patent then.
EDIT
One more thing, if it is specifically the countless unnamed guests you are worried about, you can make a private topic in the memeber forum, and only you, Scott, and then anyone you give permission, can see the idea. Regardless, do you know when it will be patented, or is that up to the patent clerks?
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re: Tommy K
I could have a patent pending within 24 hours but the problem is making the time to go to the USPTO in person. That is my fashion. I would like to hand the documents and have them stamped in front of me.
re: Tommy K
Hi TommyK,
I thought I'd say what is probably on a few peoples minds. I for one am a fairly trusting sort of person and it goes without saying that I really want to solve or find out the answer to Besslers Wheel - the G-POM as you call it.
Everyday I go to this board hoping that today the answer will start to unfold. The answer has been very difficult for me to pin down because JB left no corner stones that I could see on which to build a theory. He was clever like that !
Even Count Karl's words about the wheel mechanism being so simple a carpenters boy could make it have shed no light for me. As you have said in your posts, in general terms just what part of the Counts utterances gave you some insight please ?
So I'll cut to the chase. I sincerely hope that you are guenuine and so far I have IMO had no reason to suspect your integrity or honesty. That being said I eagerly await the answer and BTW -I can wait- until you have secured your patent application (I do hope that is soon though).
What I would appreciate is a certain level of comfort that only you can give me, because as I said earlier, I tend to be trusting of others until proven otherwise. Would you be prepared to swear on what ever is sacramount to you that you are the "real deal" and you do indeed have a mechanism that works as you have described and we are lead to believe ?
A few of us no doubt would breath easier, including possibly ... Jonathan ..., if some of the perceived uncertainty were to be reduced in this way. For you this should not be hard I'm guessing - for me and possibly others I might enjoy the rest of the Xmas holidays without a constant tick in my eye and burbling in my sleep !
sincerely Fletcher
I thought I'd say what is probably on a few peoples minds. I for one am a fairly trusting sort of person and it goes without saying that I really want to solve or find out the answer to Besslers Wheel - the G-POM as you call it.
Everyday I go to this board hoping that today the answer will start to unfold. The answer has been very difficult for me to pin down because JB left no corner stones that I could see on which to build a theory. He was clever like that !
Even Count Karl's words about the wheel mechanism being so simple a carpenters boy could make it have shed no light for me. As you have said in your posts, in general terms just what part of the Counts utterances gave you some insight please ?
So I'll cut to the chase. I sincerely hope that you are guenuine and so far I have IMO had no reason to suspect your integrity or honesty. That being said I eagerly await the answer and BTW -I can wait- until you have secured your patent application (I do hope that is soon though).
What I would appreciate is a certain level of comfort that only you can give me, because as I said earlier, I tend to be trusting of others until proven otherwise. Would you be prepared to swear on what ever is sacramount to you that you are the "real deal" and you do indeed have a mechanism that works as you have described and we are lead to believe ?
A few of us no doubt would breath easier, including possibly ... Jonathan ..., if some of the perceived uncertainty were to be reduced in this way. For you this should not be hard I'm guessing - for me and possibly others I might enjoy the rest of the Xmas holidays without a constant tick in my eye and burbling in my sleep !
sincerely Fletcher
re: Tommy K
Hi Fletcher,
I am hoping to make my way to the USPTO the week following the New Year.
The only thing in Count Karl's word's that gave me insight was "simple".
It need not be a carpenter's boy.
Am I prepared to swear on what ever is (sacramount?) I assume you mean what is sacred to me?. And if so, yes, having said so I have.
As I said in an earlier post. I am being fair, but protective of my work.
Anyone who insist that I must now disclose my method, I will assume you to be a crook, wanting to take credit for my work.
I have promised to disclose my work within a month and I will.
I am hoping to make my way to the USPTO the week following the New Year.
The only thing in Count Karl's word's that gave me insight was "simple".
It need not be a carpenter's boy.
Am I prepared to swear on what ever is (sacramount?) I assume you mean what is sacred to me?. And if so, yes, having said so I have.
As I said in an earlier post. I am being fair, but protective of my work.
Anyone who insist that I must now disclose my method, I will assume you to be a crook, wanting to take credit for my work.
I have promised to disclose my work within a month and I will.
re: Tommy K
Hello to those with interest,
It was suggested today, by an associate, (Thank you Stephanie) that I notify Popular Mechanics for a review of my work.
I have done so, and am now awaiting a reply from technology Editor Tobey Grumet, and science Editor Jim Wilson. If this comes to light before my visit to USPTO, then I will make all aware.
Thank you for your patience.
It was suggested today, by an associate, (Thank you Stephanie) that I notify Popular Mechanics for a review of my work.
I have done so, and am now awaiting a reply from technology Editor Tobey Grumet, and science Editor Jim Wilson. If this comes to light before my visit to USPTO, then I will make all aware.
Thank you for your patience.
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Sevich
re: Tommy K
TommyK
Don't you mean to disclose it on the 1st of april?.....You know I don't believe you! ........I agree with Sek.I have promised to disclose my work within a month and I will.
re: Tommy K
Thanks for that TommyK !
We shall indeed see in the fullness of time !
One way or another I'm gonna feel stupid I suspect !
Fletch
We shall indeed see in the fullness of time !
One way or another I'm gonna feel stupid I suspect !
Fletch
re: Tommy K
Hi Fletcher,
I agree, you may feel stupid. Actually you will. The principle is so simple.
As for the doubters. F-U-A.
I can withstand the ridicule unlike Bessler who acted in extreme and destroyed his wheel.
Due to the feeble attempts of those who try to make me succumb, this will be my last post (before conclusion) and contribution to the board other then to add the occasional F-U to doubters if needed.
Most sincerely,
Thomas K
I agree, you may feel stupid. Actually you will. The principle is so simple.
As for the doubters. F-U-A.
I can withstand the ridicule unlike Bessler who acted in extreme and destroyed his wheel.
Due to the feeble attempts of those who try to make me succumb, this will be my last post (before conclusion) and contribution to the board other then to add the occasional F-U to doubters if needed.
Most sincerely,
Thomas K
re: Tommy K
I hope this is not refering to me! The crooks usually sit and wait for the idea to come from someone else, but I can prove that I activly search for it every day. BTW, I've had an idea about your device that seems promising. I look forward to a month from now.Anyone who insist that I must now disclose my method, I will assume you to be a crook, wanting to take credit for my work.
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Well, inspite of the recent proof of weird computer usage, I will still give you the benefit of the doubt. I have remade the ratchet of the pendulum in my version of your device such that the coil spring and the balance bar now act as the rachet. So, am I on the right track?
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