Bellows Build

[smith66]

@All,
decided to start my own thread since Bessler was probably an engineer more than anything else. Also, if what I am working on works, then those that have always found his work interesting will benefit from it.
After all, it might give you guys a bit more to discuss concerning what Bessler wrote about among other things.

This is one quote of Bessler's I've always believed seemed off. One day I realized it was describing Mt 60. Mt 60 has both bellows, hinges and what appears to be screw threads.
Bessler's quote;
"No. 24: This invention ought not to be scorned. It consists of separate levers with weights. Between the weights are small iron poles with screw threads. The poles fall inward when the levers close. There is something one must learn first before one can grasp and correctly understand the good quality of the invention."
- Johann Bessler

I like what Bessler said about understanding the good quality of his invention. And I believe it to be that when 2 weights drop, they can open a bellows that is closed causing it to syphon water or fluid from it's opposing bellow.
And if all goes well, I'll be able to demonstrate this good quality by this weekend.

Jim

edited to add; will be using components from other drawings and will post those as the week goes by.

[cloud camper]

I really enjoy your creativity Jim.

Just ignore the ignorant trolls that have no ideas trying to slow you down.

Full speed ahead!

[smith66]

>> Just ignore the ignorant trolls that have no ideas trying to slow you down.

Full speed ahead!

<<

Thank You very much cloud camper, much appreciated. I have started work on it. it's not much, just gluing the opposing backs of the bellows to one another but usually the first step is the most important because it signifies that the journey has begun.
I am hoping to be able to rent the work space for my shop this coming weekend. My table saw makes a little more noise than I am comfortable with making at home. Still, I will post updates on my progress. A successful demonstartation will hopefully get more people on board.
I have let a gal I know that I am open sourcing this. it's just that Bessler needs to remain the focal point. As Raj and dwyztble have been pointing out, there is a lot to his work. And in this, ab hammer might not have been far off when he said there might be much we have yet to realize about what he did.
Besides, if anyone wants to know what special is, they should meet her. It would make Bessler's wheel something worth doing for Bessler.

[Jim Williams]

I wonder if your build may be similar to the enclosed patented device, particularly the third drawing near the bottom of the page?

I think it is a shame this inventor bothered to realize a patent on an invention that doesn't work.

www.google.com/patents/us3412482

Jim W.

[smith66]

Jim W,
>> I wonder if your build may be similar to the enclosed patented device, particularly the third drawing near the bottom of the page? <<

That is one part of it. I'm not sure how you found but am glad that you did. It is something that might help people to understand what I'm working on.
The patented device is Mt 60 without the hinges. But as Bessler said, he used tongs. And if Mt 127 is considered, then there is a balanced force that can perform work. And since it is the top bellows that will be opened, lines can attach the levers to the bellow with the help of pulleys to control the position of the lines.

In Mt 127, C is where the pulleys would be located.

Cross-bar
cross-bar (noun) a structural member that crosses other elements; two perpendular beams crossing at the axis; lazy tongs
1.a “If I arrange to have just one cross-bar in my machine, it revolves very slowly, just as if it can hardly turn itself at all, but, on the contrary, when I arrange several bars, pulleys and weights, the machine can revolve much faster." AP 340 Collins translation

http://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5312

[smith66]

@All,
The picture shows where I'm at right now. There is a fixed gap between the 2 bellows that is 1/2 inch by 3 1/2 inches. The bellows will open at one end to a max distance of 1 inch and also will be 3 1/2 inches wide.
With something like this, it is all about flow and having any restriction in the "dog house" would only slow the flow of water and rob the system of energy.
If you look at Raj's build, it is something that would go nicely with this. I hope to have the bellows completed tomorrow. If so, a working demonstration this weekend just might be possible.


Jim

[smith66]

@All,
I thought I would add a picture with one side closed and the other open.
If you look at Mt 127 hopefully you'll notice the similarities.
Next I'll be adding the plastic that will form the bellows.

Jim

edited to add; the part next to the bottle of glue is in a fixed postion. The bottom half moves in the opposite direction of the top part.

[smith66]

@All,
Building is a lot of work and I think people who refuse to show their work discredit this forum and Bessler. they could be called Wagners Crew.
After all, most machinists will not machine both bronze and brass. This is because if you add tin to brass, then you create a much denser metal called bronze which is mostly used for bushings.
Brass is mostly used as a decorative metal. it looks pretty when you polish it but outside of that, it's not much good for anything. no insult intended towards those who play music, am only referencing it's use as an industrial material. This is pretty basic knowledge for anyone who has experience working with different metals.
Also, how do you work with cold rolled steel ? What do you use it for ? Cold rolling is another process which has to do with it's temper (hardness, rigidity) and it's thickness.
And all in all, it's like that one gal I mention once in a while, I did let her know that Bessler's work is about more than myself and this forum. Yet at the same time, there are a lot of decent people in this forum that would benefit from a realization of his work. And in the end, Bessler's wheel is about what Bessler accomplished and that is something that I can live with quite nicely. I think it is as Helmut Esders who lives in Germany once told me, that when it comes to Bessler that I sound like a born again Christian.
There is a difference you know. When ever someone sees a church, they know it is about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. But with Bessler, who knows that he actually built a working wheel ? And it is the latter that I plan on changing.

James/Jamie/Jim

[Jim Williams]

Here are some others. They are from USPTO class/subclass 415/916 - Perpetual Motion. They all have patents, or are patent applications, and none of them work.

https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm ... %22&num=30

Jim W.

[smith66]

Jim W.,
>> Here are some others. <<
I think this is one reason why a successful demonstration is important.
With me, I guess it is a fault I have in believing Bessler was successful and it's one I don't mind having. :-)
Tomorrow, I'll reserve a shop so it'll be there when I'm ready to start a more serious build in a couple of weeks. There is one gal I would like to impress with this. She has been supportive of my efforts as well as having helped me deal with the difficulties of my medical treatment. And for that, I do owe her something.

Jim

p.s., I am still working on the bellows. Will post a pic when I have made more progress.

[Jim Williams]

The Patent Office eventually came to legally require a working model for any invention claiming to be perpetual motion.

It was the first bellows patent I showed you that caused me to believe Bessler could have been on to something. Eventually I came accept that bellows patent couldn't work simply looking it as a whole, sitting there and turning in a tub of water, There is no energy source that would keep in spinning, and that for me, was the end of that.

Jim W.

[smith66]

Jim W.,
The thick bars next to the bellows would be the weights that open and close the bellows.
And since the air would be pumped/syphoned to a lower part, the change in bouyancy is supposed to do fhe trick.
But considering the density of water and the size/weight of the bellows, it would make things difficult.

edited to add; Jim W., I'm going to work at making a diaphragm that would be one piece. This means I'll need to start over on the bellows but it'll work better and be worth the extra time.

[smith66]

Cloud camper and Jim W.,
I changed the one drawing of the invention that Jim w. found. I modified it a little to make it look more like what I plan on trying .
If you look at the levers on Mt 127, the weights by bellows labeled B will work the A bellows. As you can see, if syphoning works then the bellow at the bottom that is filled would be syphoned to the top.
And the timing I would be looking for is near somewhere half empty or half full near bottom center. That would be for balance/over balance.

edited to make minor changes because I changed one picture.

[Jim Williams]

The enclosed patent is well known on this board.

www.google.co/patents/us3934964

It also uses weights to shift the difference between containers full of water and ones full of air. What makes it different is the connecting hoses allowing pressures to balance between containers.

Imagine placing an invention of either Kusmer or Diamond constructed small enough to be placed in a transparent sided vat of some kind, like some large aquarium. Now imagine that vat has been set up in the middle of the desert, filled with water, the device located in it, and clearly visible to someone standing beside the vat and the device. Now imagine that the device is rotating in the vat. If it can be caused to rotate, then it should potentially rotate forever? Where is the energy coming from to cause it to cause that rotation?

Imagine you are a mile away from the transparent vat, and you can still see the device rotating continuously. Where is the energy coming from?

That's the question I asked me. I have yet to answer it.

Jim W.

[jim_mich]

Jim Williams
Way back then, in 2003, when I first posted about this concept and first looked at this patent, I thought surely it should work. I mean, just look at it. It is oh so obvious that it should work. But there is such a thing as reality.