Inertia against gravity...

[Stewart]

path_finder, I'm sorry to see you've taken my comments so badly. This seems to happen more often these days when I open my big mouth! I'm not quite sure why people are so sensitive - how is it possible to have a proper discussion if we all think the same, agree all the time, or are afraid to speak in case we upset someone's feelings? I could actual take offence at you suggesting I have no imagination or am not interested in imaginative thought. I post very little of my own wheel research on the forum because I work in a small research group, so how could you possibly know the leaps of imagination we take on a daily basis and the advancements we might have made?! In no way would I do or would I want to do anything to hinder anyone's imagination or creative process. All I've done is politely challenge you on making a false statement that could confuse others - surely that's not unreasonable? I think everyone here wants to get to the truth of Bessler's wheels, and therefore surely want anything that steers us on a false path to be corrected? If this isn't the case then I'm quite happy to confine my comments to my private forum or my own website. Anyway, I certainly wouldn't want to see you stop posting. There is plenty of room on this forum for imaginative and creative thought and also to be historically accurate with the facts - we just have to make the distinction in posts. Please keep posting, and welcome to the forum! ;-)

Stewart

[turulato]

Stewart:

Don't even try, path_finder just insulted us all.
I hope he is just venting his frustrations. If not, then is his loss.
We need imagination...right!


One very dignified and offended
Turulato

[iacob alex]

Hi !

Gravity has no inertia.

All that I made,was to settle gravity fall vs. rotary inertia.

Can it help this topic?

All the Bests! / Alex

[iacob alex]

...performs,any time when a body falls on a different trajectory then the vertical line : the gravity must do this work.

So ,making a balance,correlation between a vertical free fall in gravity,and a fall on a different trajectory,but amid same levels,we must mesure a kinetic energy difference.

With a jump-up back motion (the reverse of a vertical free fall),to attain the starting point,again...we have a "self" motion,and in the same time the kinetic energy difference(work done by gravity against inertia,temporary stored),becomes disponible.

All the Bests! / Alex

[Grimer]

Dear Ovyyus,
Here is one of the numerous references:
http://www.besslerwheel.com/wiki/index. ... rtal:Clues
What is important is the fact that Bessler never showed the weights to anybody (I red somewhere he just accepted to leave people pulping the weights under a cover)
He only told 'they were cylindrical'
This is the reason I was convinced from my first studies that the secret of Bessler was INSIDE the weights (content, structure, materials,geometry,etc.)

There isn't anything there consistent to what you had posted. I think you are mixing some events that happened at differing times.

On another note, your thoughts on the secret being inside the weights....My wife purchased this huge ball filled with air and sand. This is used for exercising and the sand helps hold it still while doing these. My nephews were over the other night and they were just playing with it, pushing down on it and then spinning it towards each other. It would start out slow, almost stop in mid air and then lurch forward at, what I thought, was an amazing increase in velocity. They were literally shooting this ball back and forth to each other in this way. I've had to work since then, but I do plan to take a better look at this action.
Steve

I think you and pathfinder could well be on to something there. If you read the "Impact is the Key" thread you will see that it is essential that when Mr Gravity knocks his opponent down, he doesn't bounce up again.
In short, that all the impact is absorbed locally and dissipated within the quasi"hammer - anvil".

Now what better way to dissipate energy than a leather cylinder filled with sand - or better still lead shot - and it would be reusable again and again.

I wonder what pathfinder meant by "pulping the weights under a cover". Trouble is, being in Paris his second language, English, ain't too hot.

[Fletcher]

feeling/touching/manipulating/palpating the weights hidden under a cloth/handkerchief, I would say ;)

[Grimer]

palpate - To examine by pressing on the surface of the body to feel the organs or tissues underneath.

Suggests there might have been some give perhaps?

[iacob alex]

Hi!

Let's go back to the subject of this topic..

A gravity free fall(with no resistence...) is a motion with no connection with inertia...till the moment when the falling mass collides the ground.

But...it's too "late" to use gravity power in this manner.

If we make a permanent "link" with inertia ,we can store and use the gravity power in some way.

This is the meaning of proposed "inertia against gravity " topic...

All the Bests! / Alex

[iacob alex]

.....as an out of the blue , unexpected short interplay , at :

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff8oqoYxD7U

For a short time , as a "sparkle" of inertia drive , it's like the rotational inertia acts as a temporary , mobile/ "floating"... fulcrum/support for the dumping waves of the spinning chain (out of the rotating driver...)...in the same manner as a bouncing ball in gravity.

So , with a "floating" fulcrum (alike a life-belt , or a raft) , can we "swimm" in some way inside the inertial ("water") property of space ?

Al_ex

[murilo]

Al_ex,
thanx very much for the link!
Best!
M

[Art]

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Have a look at this Bead Chain experiment . Really counterintuitive .

PE of falling chain drives part of chain to greater height !


http://youtu.be/iDAWEj1RQGs

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[Art]

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Stewart's little swing in his Atavar at the top of this page looks kind of empty and lonely without Stewart !

Come on back Stewart .


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[murilo]

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Have a look at this Bead Chain experiment . Really counterintuitive .

PE of falling chain drives part of chain to greater height !


http://youtu.be/iDAWEj1RQGs

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Super, super, Art!
Thank you!
The very first time, when I got addiction to chains was when I saw one falling down from a table top, getting strong and increased acceleration.

[jim_mich]

You guys do realize that this video posted by Art is an example of centrifugal force doing work of lifting the bead chain up and out of the glass container.

Obviously the source of the energy is gravity acting on the falling portion of the chain. But momentum (i.e. centrifugal force) is what does the lifting that keeps the beads suspended about 2 to 3 feet up in mid-air.

Cloud camper will say that CF is not a real force. But obviously there is a real physical force here that causes the bead chain be suspended in mid-air. That force is CF at the top of the arc.

[iacob alex]

.....at : www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHlAJ7vySC8

This experiment , so "expressive" ...it's a "copy" of the well known lab-demo test with a spinning bike wheel.

The people enjoy a multitude of spinning top toys...

Rotational inertia shows a certain degree of independence face to gravity...

Can be :this effect useful for the topic of our forum?

Al_ex