Cloud camper keeps mentioning the "1st law". I don't think cloud camper even understands the meaning of the words he is using.justsomeone, in [url=http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=114192#114192]this thread[/url] wrote:Can we take this conservation over to another thread?
In the future it will be difficult to find this content in this thread.
The First Law is usually considered to be Newton's First Law of Motion which states, "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it." And of course there is the Second Law of Motion that concerns acceleration of a body, and the Third Law of Motion that concerns equal and opposite forces.
But it seems that the "1st law" that you keep mentioning has a longer name. It is called the First Law of Thermodynamics. It has this longer name for good reason. The First Law of Thermodynamics is concerned with the conversion of energy from one form to another. This law states that when energy is converted from form to form, there is no spontaneous gain or loss of energy. Thus when converted back to its first form, the amount of energy remains the same, when losses of friction and such are accounted for. The First Law of Thermodynamics basically relates to heat engines and similar situations. It is not an all-inclusive law.
The second Law of Thermodynamics also relates to heat engines and says that the internal entropy always increases, thus the usable energy within the system always decreases. This is because heat is the source of the energy. And as the heat differential is used up, the usable energy of the system is also used up. This is a prime reason why PM is considered as impossible. The assumption is that conversion of heat to motion is the only method of producing work, (You can argue this fact, but all harnessable forces trace back to pressure caused by heat.)
Probably what cloud camper meant to write is the Conservation of Energy Law which states that the total energy of an isolated system cannot change — it is said to be conserved over time. This law says energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can change form; for instance, chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy and heat energy to kinetic energy.
The Conservation of Energy Law is based upon the belief that perpetual motion is impossible. It tries to use the First Law of Thermodynamics as proof. James Clerk Maxwell showed why such concepts of are not valid. His Demon shows that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is not a certainty. The Second Law of Thermodynamics is only statistically probable.
If you have a way of separating, sorting, or manipulating kinetic motion so as to condense it from one material into another material, then you have increased the amount of usable energy without increasing the total energy. Such a process would not break any of the previously mentioned laws. One must understand the limits of each of these laws.
If a PM wheel gains usable energy without gaining total energy then no laws are broken. If the usable energy is then used to cause increased wheel rotation, again no laws are broken. These are two separate processes, one follows the other which then increases the first.
The scientific word that means "usable energy" is ectropy, which is basically the opposite on entropy. Because this is an obscure seldom used word, you will have seen me using the phrase "usable energy", though cloud camper seemed to not even understand such simple words.
