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path_finder wrote:Is this multi-section building based on the following concept?
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9655 ... onsxe1.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5947/gravitomotru0.gif
No. I don't think it is.

I think it is based on the concept of the classic conservation of angular momentum demonstration turned through 90°.

In the links you give the weight do not move radially relative to the main axis.
In the classic demo they do.
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No new photos yet. It seems that they are having major modifications. With all that steelwork it's not surprising it's taking some time.

Still, if they had discovered a show-stopper and realised they had made a boo-boo they would have taken the site down. The fact that it's still there is a hopeful sign.
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"The fact that it's still there is a hopeful sign."

Websites aren't exactly peer reviewed.
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Grimer wrote:
Still, if they had discovered a show-stopper and realized they had made a boo-boo they would have taken the site down. The fact that it's still there is a hopeful sign.
Maybe in discouragement all have walked away and there is nobody to care or interested in removing the site.

I am more interested in what is happening to the one here in the U.S. We have heard nothing more about it. IMO it's outcome or development weighs more heavy than the one in Brazil. Have they ceased construction on it or is it being built?

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There is of course the possible explanation for the long silence, viz. that the work has been taken under the wing of government - probably at the request of the US.

The discovery of a way to harness gravity will be an enormously disruptive technology. It will be a "Black Swan Event" to use Nicholas Taleb's expression.'

Moreover, will be one out of the control of the powers that be so the PTB have every incentive to suppress it or if this fails to at least anticipate its probable impact and prepare for it.
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.....has a lot of comments , at :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread948334/pg10

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Four more pictures of the device have been added to the website:

http://www.rarenergia.com.br

...with the following quote (apparently also in Portugese):
Final pieces and weights of our motor moved by the power of gravity can be assembled in many positions, forming different and similar forms. We tested the final part, in several assembling models. The motor worked perfectly in all models, varying in bigger and minor power or torch. We choose one of the models to conclude the assembling of the equipment and we posted more pictures.
I assume "torch" is supposed to be "torque."

Anyway, it appears the device is still incomplete and some major modifications have been made.

I guess that quote, though, can definitely be taken as a claim by them that they actually have working models, for whatever it's worth before an actual public demonstration.

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iacob alex wrote:.....has a lot of comments , at :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread948334/pg10

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Furcurequs wrote:Four more pictures of the device have been added to the website:

http://www.rarenergia.com.br

...with the following quote (apparently also in Portugese):
Final pieces and weights of our motor moved by the power of gravity can be assembled in many positions, forming different and similar forms. We tested the final part, in several assembling models. The motor worked perfectly in all models, varying in bigger and minor power or torch. We choose one of the models to conclude the assembling of the equipment and we posted more pictures.
I assume "torch" is supposed to be "torque."

Anyway, it appears the device is still incomplete and some major modifications have been made.

I guess that quote, though, can definitely be taken as a claim by them that they actually have working models, for whatever it's worth before an actual public demonstration.

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I had been checking that damn site everyday for weeks but only intermittently
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Hey Grimer,

I had not checked the website in a while myself, but I saw the update mentioned by someone in another forum. So, sorry to beat you to the scoop. ...lol

Anyway, there's a bit of a discussion about it on this webpage in the comments section:

http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/09/1 ... d-working/

I believe Sterling Alan may have jumped to some conclusions and got the title wrong there for quite obviously the big device is not complete in the pictures, but there is some interesting conversation about it.

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Always printing that little "cliche" with every update and picture;

The text in the upper left-hand corner of the images says: “Motor powered exclusively by gravity with power generator�

How do you wish to interpret this; it requires a power generator (motor) with gravity to run, or a gravity powered machine driving a generator?

I am inclined to go with the former, it is not a true gravity or perpetual machine.

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@ Dwayne - Thanks for keeping your eyes open - and thanks for the link to that forum.

@ Ralph - It's quite clear to me that they are claiming a gravity engine which is going to be used to power an electric generator.
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Hello Grimer,

You're welcome, though it was in the following thread at overunity.com, where I sometimes lurk, that I learned of the update:

http://www.overunity.com/13480/big-try- ... ity-wheel/

Ralph,

I agree with Grimer. From what I understand their claim does actually seem to be that they are building a gravity powered motor that can be used to drive an electrical generator. ...though, of course, I've not yet seen the electric generator in any of those photos.

What I don't understand is that if they actually have working models as they are apparently also claiming, why don't they just go public with those. Surely even tabletop sized working devices would get the attention of the whole world and then real scientists and engineers could analyze them and probably exploit the working principle without having to build such a huge and obviously expensive monstrosity.

In other words, they do seem to be making extraordinary claims, but they also seem to be going about this in an irrational way.

So, hmmm.... ...lol.

Of course, though, maybe this thing would be harder for the men-in-black to carry off. ...if that were rational thinking... ..lol.

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Something backwards about the process here ! .

If you had something fundamentally new in the “Energy from Gravity � field , then building the machine in full view online would not be the best strategy if you had not already got patent protection .

If there is already patent protection in place then the patent must be a very low key process patent with no “outlandish� free energy claims .

IMO the one thing that is obvious now is that it is an experimental build since they admit that different set ups have been tested and “they all worked � to varying degrees .

Any new patents by RAR in process ?
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Hey Art,

According to the following article, they have supposedly already applied for a patent.
Emailing from Brazil, company president Renato Ribeiro gives few details, but says this sort of energy technology has been sought for centuries, so it's natural that people are skeptical. He promises that the technology will surprise a lot of people, and that they've already applied for a patent.
http://wglt.org/wireready/news/2013/02/ ... 5637.shtml

I don't believe I've seen a patent or patent application that would seemingly apply to this thing, though. Here is a list of those naming Renato Ribeiro as inventor.

http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/Renato ... iro_1.html

It would seem, then, that a patent on this has not (yet) been granted nor has the patent application been published. I believe in the U.S. they now publish the applications a year and half after filing if the patent hasn't yet been granted, btw.

If the Ribeiros have actually filed a patent application for a workable device, though, they can go public while claiming "patent pending" and still be protected. ...as long as all of the important details were already covered, of course.

If I had what they claim to have, though, I certainly wouldn't be doing what they are doing. I would have already gone public with my smaller working models.

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