Besslers Codes

[jim_mich]

Jim, you really should use " IMO " a lot more! I wish you would quit stating things as facts when they are clearly your interpreted opinion.

Don't hide under a rock though cause I do enjoy your posts.

Most of what I post are facts. I very seldom post opinions.

Fact: Gravity is a conservative force. This is considered as a scientific fact by all reputable scientists and most intelligent people. Only PM enthusiasts think otherwise. So should I say IMO? Or should I say in most everybody's opinion? And being this is considered as a scientific fact, it makes gravity PM wheels impossible. I've coexisted here on the forum for about ten years. At first I thought if Bessler could use gravity to do it, then there must be a way. But then I started reading what Bessler actually wrote, instead of what everyone "thinks" he wrote...

Fact: The "The rain flows. Snow falls." quote was in the lines just before Bessler told Wagner to harness his lazy horses and come see the wheel in operation. It is obviously a poetic reference to the passing from rainy season to winter season of snow. Should I say IMO? Or should I state the very obvious?

Fact: I said nothing about CF and clod camper still attacked me. Should I say it is IMO that my posts bother clod camper, when it is so very obvious that they do. Was there any reason for CC to attack me again? Should I say IMO CC has a truly black soul? Or maybe it's not so obvious to others that CC has some sort of problem?

And while we're on this subject, shouldn't others (such as CC) also be required to continually write IMO?. He makes a lot of accusations against me as if they are fact. But they are only his opinions. CC make a huge amount of assumptions. And I've proven his lies many times. So shouldn't CC be held to the same high standard of stating IMO in every posting of his?

Justsomeone, I enjoy your posts. I have nothing against you. But what is it you think I should delineated and label as being my opinion? Do you think I wrongly interpret Bessler's writings, and thus such are only my opinions?

[justsomeone]

Yes! Absolutely! My comment was not in regard to cloud camper.

Why are the horses fat and lazy? It is because lighter weights move them. Nothing to do with Wagner! 1 LB. lifting 4 LBs. This is my opinion, just as rational as your interpretation! Not fact, your or my opinion.

I do wish cloud camper would give it a rest.

Jim. Have you interpreted the whole poem? If so, I would love to hear it. So far we are no where close in our interpretation. If you do not want to, I understand. I can not share my thoughts about the rest of the poem at this time.

[rlortie]

I have questions for Jim_Mich and Cloud Camper;

When considering torque in inch, foot pounds Newtons and you had your choice of arms pulled in or extended by the skater, which would you choose if you were to be hit on the chin with his/her fist, arms extended or pulled in? Will the change in leverage verses velocity be the same?

What if I were to show you a way that Cf once created can increase output torque and velocity in a gravity orientated wheel. Making for both motion and OB due to Cf assistance. Forget about Angular momentum and angular velocity, consider Cf and Cp neutralized for the full 360 degree circumference per revolution .

I use the word "neutralized" liberally as Cf will always be pushing on Cp but going nowhere. That is not truly correct, but this is not the time or place to expand on it.

In middle school I was taught that energy is formed via a triangle of properties. For example to make fire you need a combustible fuel, an oxidizer and a kindling point. How about a triangle of gravitational OB, Cf and motion.

Ralph

[Oystein]

It is ok by me, because I understand what has to be his opinion or what is facts.

Fact: The "The rain flows. Snow falls." quote was in the lines just before Bessler told Wagner to harness his lazy horses and come see the wheel in operation. It is obviously a poetic reference to the passing from rainy season to winter season of snow. Should I say IMO? Or should I state the very obvious?

By a passing from summer to winter, what do you actually mean?

(The "non Bessler-student" would interpret it as autumn)

[johannesbender]

jim , saying stuff along the line of they just shut theire ears
and yell no no no jim is wrong wrong , thats kinda like instigating
just because someone else has their own oppinion too , surely
you respect that everyone cannot always agree with eachother ?

instead it sounds like you are saying you are right and no one
else has an oppinion unless it coincides with yours ?

anyway i personally have my own oppinion and sometimes
it is in full agreement with what you or someone else says
but sometimes i prefer my own on some points , i do not
wish to get into such arguments but can we all not respect
eachothers oppinion more .

[cloud camper]

quote: JohannesBender
"instead it sounds like you are saying you are right and no one
else has an oppinion unless it coincides with yours ?"

Yes, Johannes, this is exactly what he is saying. Randall has been stating this crap as if it is fact for eight years now with no supporting evidence. Instead Randall always calls for a fair catch,
"I'm an inventor so I don't have to support any statements."

Randall has pronounced "Eureka! I've got it - runners to come" several times in this period and has yet to provide a shred of evidence or a single scientific principle or example from nature that would support his claims. Here he is in 2005 stating he has it:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... mmich+2005

No, I don't hate anyone just unsupported unscientific BS that is continually presented as fact. From Randalls' extensive high school physics training he endlessly proclaims that "motion" wheels
are the only possible solution to the wheel.

But as we find out, Randall does no building, studies no physics but yet feels qualified to armchair pontificate that motion wheels are the only answer and everyone else is an idiot.

After eight years of endless rants, diatribes and tirades we should see something that would back up Randalls' ideas but we're still waiting.

If Randall wants to continue to spout his ignorant nonsense, then he can expect to be challenged.

If one has a personal preference to a "motion" derived solution, then fine. But stop presenting it as if it is fact. This completely
unsupported pontificating is commonly known as DELUSION.

It's past time for a new paradigm.

[rlortie]

Edited for brevity:

Jim , saying stuff along the line of they just shut their ears and yell no no no Jim is wrong wrong , that's kinda like instigating
just because someone else has their own opinion too , surely
you respect that everyone cannot always agree with each other ? .

A person who voices their opinion gains my respect. One who continuously and blatantly keeps arguing without objective proof soon looses that respect.

Jim gives value to this forum and I consider him a friend, but must admit that he ignores my pleas for him to get off his lazy butt and do something, either substantiate his claims or admit that he is wrong. The alternative is to simply quit posting, but that can also be looked upon as the coward who ran to live another day to run.

There is no elbow room to prove anything hiding under a rock! Like a nocturnal animal, only coming out at night to defend itself without enlightenment of its persistence.

Ralph

[ovyyus]

After eight years of endless rants, diatribes and tirades we should...

How have you managed to put up with all these endless unscientific rants for 8 long years when you've only been a member here for 2 years? Must be the royal we :D

[eccentrically1]

any speculation on what the codes will reveal?

a mechanism? perhaps one that creates an open system out of what appears to be closed?

[johannesbender]

i just hope someone shuts us all up someday haha

i would also like to know more about whats to be revealed

[Grimer]

After eight years of endless rants, diatribes and tirades we should...

How have you managed to put up with all these endless unscientific rants for 8 long years when you've only been a member here for 2 years? Must be the royal we :D

He doesn't claim to have put up with them for 8 long years.

[Oystein]

Look what appeared on my "doorstep" after letting one person read my book. He even would not take money. But insisted that he wanted to be named as a contributor in the book, or what may follow from it.

This is my way of showing the members here that the promised book is no hogwash from inkblots.

Do not comment on the number of flanges or the spacing vs. Bessler, as they are movable.

Best
Oystein

[Art]

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Good going Oystein !

Looks like you're going for a nice heavy duty version straight up . I Wish you all the best with it .

It sounds like you have the book pretty well completed .
Do you feel you are at the stage with the de-cypherment where you have a completed blueprint to build from ? - or are you expecting to have to test your interpretation as you build ?

Also I wondered if a fairly definite "principal" has been indicated in the cyphered information ?

I'm looking forward to you getting that book out !
I'll freely proofread it for you ! : )

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[Oystein]

Thank you, no there are only one specific type mechanism that appears all over. Every cipher is linked together like a snake biting its tail, so I have no room for changing anything. It is finally a bigger system to Besslers work and that is what makes it more beautiful. Making every anomaly dependent of another anomaly, and finally everything is proven in a few geometric/visual/mathematical figures. The understanding of these solutions includes the possibility to fill in the blanks that Bessler left.

My methods explains the anomalies in his work, and therefore altering the mechanism will make everything else "invalid". I can`t see how that could be possible.

For now It appears to keep the COG NB! far below the axle! And roughly varying between force equal to: one weight at 3 o`clock at the rim, and down to around zero, just before a weight falls and it starts all over. I have not experienced that on paper before, so I am fairly positive at this point.

[daxwc]

Great job Oystein… Great to see your getting help financially and mechanically!

For now It appears to keep the COG NB! far below the axle! And roughly varying between force equal to: one weight at 3 o`clock at the rim, and down to around zero, just before a weight falls and it starts all over. I have not experienced that on paper before, so I am fairly positive at this point.

I have design after following clues in MT of the same principle as you propose, but have never made it due to although simple is hard to build. That said I don’t think it is the same as the structures wouldn’t fit on to what somebody has made for you. I think maybe you are on the right track!