Interesting Video

[SpinnyThing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3I2zeoUbzg

Do you guys think there is anything in this? It seems legit to me.

This is my first post, but I have been reading this forum with interest for many months. I love the idea of beating currently known physics laws :D

[ovyyus]

Gotta love a simple solution to an ages old problem :D

[Andyb]

Love it,i wonder if a bearing would improve its output ,it did show signs of going out of rhythm at one point or another and that it what i would expect it to do and fail eventually,the spring being struck and then winding its self further in is interesting good find thanks.

[getterdone]

Welcome to the Madness

It's just my opinion, but I think the fly wheel would turn longer with no spring

[rlortie]

Welcome, SpinnyThing,

Interesting little gadget you posted.

That little weight looks to be a carpenters "Stair jack" or comparable, they come in pairs for attaching to a framing square to lay out steps and risers.

The only way to know if the spring and weight are influential in keeping it running would be to try it with and without the spring and weight. Problem is making sure that the same starting impetus is employed for each test.

Ralph

[pequaide]

It appears to run at the same RPM for about two minutes. It does not have a high input energy and then run down slowly. Its input energy is modest. I don't have any bearing that can run that slow for two minutes without a noticeable change in rotation velocity. Or any velocity for two minutes for that matter.

The crank pin is metal on metal and it has no noticeable change in rotation for two minutes.

[Art]

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Welcome SpinnyThing ,

Yes it does seem legit , but : ) - he is wrong on at least one count where he says he doesn’t think there is any extra energy there !

If that demonstration was genuine then the amount of friction being overcome to allow the rotation of the flywheel to continue is considerable . If genuine that device is producing a considerable amount of energy . It would be well worth scaling up !

Fundamentally the forces from the spring “driver� in this video could be analogous to the forces from the weights that most of us are trying to harness to our larger “Bessler Flywheels� .

The people behind RAR Energia I would expect should take interest attempting to reproduce this chaps flywheel . They could learn a lot from it and save themselves a lot of expense imo !

If this demonstration is genuine I would expect a few things to happen quickly : -
1. It will be reproduced by others independently immediately ,
2 . The executive toy market will start carrying small spinning flywheels to compete with Carnot engines etc ( at about $200 a pop it would be very lucrative - so this would happen very quickly : ) )
3. A number of people on this site will immediately start getting into spring technology and start producing Bessler Wheels without the weights as Bessler stated he thought possible .

So step number one ,if you want to determine whether this is genuine or not , is build it ! Don’t be too disappointed though if you can’t reproduce it . Sad as it may seem , many people on the net get their jollies feeling that they have successfully hoodwinked people they don’t even know . Takes all types !

At the moment I’m so tied up making a two metre diameter flywheel based on a similar principle but using weights ,that I don‘t want to involve myself in other projects , so I‘ll have to leave this one for someone else : )

I would encourage you to have a go at reproducing this , it would really bring you up to speed quickly on some of the problems involving Bessler’s Wheel .

And , We’ll be glued to your thread : )

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[Unbalanced]

I will start digging in my "parts pool" tomorrow morning. I don't understand how the spring can be giving back any more energy than it takes to deflect it.

Scaling up is a must.

This is not a Bessler solution but if it can be made to go continuously, who gives a rat's ass.

Welcome SpinningThing.

[daxwc]

What he doesn’t show is how effective the flywheel would spin without the spring. I think one would be surprised how long a free flywheel would spin.

[oldNick]

Welcome Spinny thng.

I would say it is an electric motor, that completes a circuit when it makes contact with the spring, it goes faster when the spring is adjusted because it makes contact sooner, or it's a motion wheel lol.

[pequaide]

No predictions; but remember Bessler's wheel was attached to a pendulum. And this inventor stated that the spring acts like a pendulum.

[rasselasss]

The blogs here bear"witness"to exactly the same suspicions that Bessler experienced,its a good reflection of the fear of being tricked and an insight of human nature but makes me wonder if this guy covered this up and demanded say,£50,000 after doing similar tests like Bessler....would you pay up or behave like Wagner et al ?........P.S. i don't exclude myself from being sceptical of claims of P.M.....on John Collin's Forum he talks about, call a press conference etc.but the reality without full disclosure puts the inventor in a diffcult place... always the doubts.

[John Collins]

My only question is where is the energy to drive it continuously coming from? The only apparent energy input is from hand starting the flywheel.

I'm with Nick on this - a battery in the circuit, under the base.

I wonder why he described it as fragile or delicate (I can't remember the exact word) it looks anything but delicate and epoxy resin makes a powerful weld so why did he have to handle it so carefully?

Still it's ingenious and I love it!

JC

[Unbalanced]

Here is one possible explanation that doesn't factor in fraud.

The leaf spring will be easier to deflect the further out you go from it's attachment point.

The cam is deflecting the leaf spring downward further out on the leaf spring than it is when it is reclaiming this expenditure of energy as it leaves the leaf spring closer to the leaf spring's attachment point.

I may be deceived in this.

In other words: because of the mechanical advantage of being further out on the spring, it may take less energy to deflect the spring than the spring is giving back to the cam closer to the attach point.

Does this make a lick of sense or am I missing the fact that the cam has to fight the spring for a greater distance, greater amount of time, than it gets back on leaving the spring?

[rlortie]

He (I presume "SpinnyThing") claims that the flywheel and possibly the shaft is from an old radio variable tuning capacitor, this I can relate to as I cut my electronics teeth in the era (1958) of five tube "Superheterodynes",,. My training involved building one with a push-pull amplifier.
See: < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuning_capacitor.jpg > for a depiction.

I must admit though, I never saw a flywheel such as used here in a radio, and I have seen a lot of them. I use to collect the older floor standing models with multi frequency ,short and long wave channel capacity.

I have a set of book ends such as he describes and can accept that his bearings are from the end caps of a small motor. His reason for stating how strong the epoxy makes it yet is so careful in moving it is because of the required balancing. I bet he spent considerable time machining the counter weight on the crank journal and bringing the assembly into perfect balance.
I do believe the weight to be a brass framing square stair jack.

You will note that as he rotates the machine for viewing, there is a point where it appears to gain in rpm. A slight disruption in the friction of the table top?

As for possible power: theoretically IMO: Note that it would take less torque for the crank to push the spring down due to the longer leverage. This leverage is obviously shorter and stiffer giving more return torque on the upswing, in less time than it took to depress.

Either way this is a prime example of balancing with finesse and must be handled accordingly.

Ralph