Does this make a lick of sense or am I missing the fact that the cam has to fight the spring for a greater distance, greater amount of time, than it gets back on leaving the spring?
No I do not think you are missing any facts! True the cam has to fight the spring, but for no longer going down than it receives on the upswing. The cam is symmetrical, what is not is the spring tension. As for the cam the distance going down is the same as coming up, The spring only goes down to cams BDC offering more tension on the up stroke because of its shorter length.
No I do not think you are missing any facts! True the cam has to fight the spring, but for no longer going down than it receives on the upswing. The cam is symmetrical, what is not is the spring tension. As for the cam the distance going down is the same as coming up, The spring only goes down to cams BDC offering more tension on the up stroke because of its shorter length.
Ralph
I am not certain your statement is correct Ralph. Because the spring is forced into an ellipsoid shape as it is depressed, the cam climbs a hill that is getting flatter as it progresses. I may well be mistaken but I think it takes longer for the cam to go from initial contact to BDC than it takes from BDC to no contact. As the cam depresses the spring, the "ramp" gets progressively steeper until BDC then the ramp gets ever flatter as the cam progresses to the point it leaves the spring.
I will try to duplicate this experiment with the flywheel I currently have set up in my gravity lab.
I wonder if this configuration would benefit from another group of cam and spring on the other side of the flywheel set at 180 degrees one from the other?
I can envision a way that this spring could be incorporated within the confines of Bessler's wheel. That of hanging the spring on a heavily weighted pendulum that was fixed to the axle on a bearing next to a flywheel fitted with a cam. The cam would deflect the pendulum as it was depressed and vise a versa as the springs tension was relieved.
Before jumping in with both feet, I would wait to see if we get anymore input from the author of this thread. If for no other reason, consider that the alleged motor end cap bearing housing may contain a magnet stator and the spring helps get it through the "sticky" spot.
When I speak of "time" I am referring to the cam cycle and not that of its time period spent in contact on the lesser tensioned outer portion of the spring.
When a video camera records a wheel from varying angles, anonmolies or discrepancies in RPM seem to occur in the recording. This makes the RPM seem to vary when it is not in reality.
Case in point, is the wagon wheels in the old westerns, recorded on film cameras that make the wheels appear to slow, stop and reverse when they are actually speeding up.
Case in point, is the wagon wheels in the old westerns, recorded on film cameras that make the wheels appear to slow, stop and reverse when they are actually speeding up.
Being an avid matinee western movie goer of the 1950's I can relate to this.
In this video at 3:40 shortly after touching it to start viewer rotation, not only does the wheel appear to speed up, but this is verifiable by the audio which also speeds up.
Tinsicola wrote:
I notice that it has to be in just the right position on the "table" in order to work. This is especially evident after the "tuning" demonstration. When you get it positioned just right, it accelerates. From 3:35 to 3:45 one can see a definite acceleration when you move the frame to the correct spot on the "table". There is no reason for this to happen, unless it is being driven externally, by something under the table.
I have dismissed the "under the table" energy source as the wheel does not appear to vary its RPM noticeably when it is rotated 360 degrees.
I can see how easy it would be to place a few hearing aid batteries and a small motor in this thing.
I will take a moment today and see if I can replicate these results and report back.
If indeed there is something to this in pure mechanical terms, I can see where it may be greatly enhanced by placing a wheel or bearing on the cam where it contacts the spring.
I have never seen a round Stair Gauge pair. They are most often octagonal.
His weight appears to be more like the adjustable weight from a grandfather clock that slides up and down the pendulum or perhaps from a metronome.
Therein lies the advantage,unbalanced can replicate what he can see,Bessler's critics could not see hardly anything and yet we condemn them as is well documented here and elsewhere,for not paying the price....so,i ask again would you pay the price with this available evidence displayed in the video....?..............TO ADD ....A clue to how its done......if the machine was running in darkness (blackout)what would you see......think about it..
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When I am wrong or even think I may be wrong I have what it takes to admit it!
You are right, I am wrong! stair jacks are octagonal, including my own which took me some time to find and verify. It has been some years since I utilized them for their intended purpose.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with Tensacola, but I do notice that as he turns it, he keeps a little emphasis on the left hand pushing/keeping it to the right. I have also noted that in certain portions of the film there appears to be a circular very light white line on the table, mostly noted in the upper left.
The speed up is only noticeable by me right after he first starts turning it at 3:40 on the clock. I see nor hear any change in rpm for the rest of the 360 rotation.
It has finally warmed up enough that I am off to the shop, laminating 1/8" tempered hardboard making 1/4" thick six foot diameter disks.
I never made the video. Just one of the many random ones I find on my youtube travels!
I just thought it would make a good debate for this forum :) I like to believe it's real, but it does seem to run a little bit too consistent after a while ...
Aside from the fact that I can't see why it would run, I think the fishiest thing is that he makes a strong disclaimer that it is not extra energy. How does he know that; is there something he is not telling us? How can you rub metal to metal for two minutes without PM at least being a possibility. If you sized up, used magnetic bearings, and made the point of rubbing nearly fiction free, how would he know it is not PM.
But: innocent until proven guilty, we have to take him at his word.
Unbalanced, rotating 360 without great variation doesn't dismiss the "under the table power supply" approach. But as you said, batteries are much easier.
rlortie wrote:He (I presume "SpinnyThing") claims that the flywheel and possibly the shaft is from an old radio variable tuning capacitor, this I can relate to as I cut my electronics teeth in the era (1958) of five tube "Superheterodynes",,. My training involved building one with a push-pull amplifier.
See: < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuning_capacitor.jpg > for a depiction.
I must admit though, I never saw a flywheel such as used here in a radio, and I have seen a lot of them. I use to collect the older floor standing models with multi frequency ,short and long wave channel capacity.
Hey Ralph,
As someone who had enough interest in electronics to take electrical engineering in college, I used to peek into just about any electronic contraption I could get my hands on.
I remember once seeing a rather large flywheel connected to the tuning capacitor of some sort of radio I was messing with. If I remember correctly, it had a string looped around it that then went over a grooved pulley attached to the tuning knob and then had some sort of tensioning spring attached to the string.
Out of curiosity I just went into my store room where I have a couple of old broken stereo receivers. Taking a quick look into one of those, it seems that even it has a flywheel about the size of the one in this video. The flywheel's width seems to be just shy of the width of my thumb and it's attached to the tuning knob itself rather than directly to the variable capacitor, though.
Dwayne
I don't believe in conspiracies!
I prefer working alone.
It seems our pseudo-intellectual friends who repetitively discuss university foundation year physics on other threads do not have the wherewithall to commit comments here due to their lack of real world knowledge on such a simple device as this and how it works .....the first 30 seconds of the video should explain to those intellectually challenged..
Wow, I know exactly what you mean! Isn't that so annoying?
So, with your real world knowledge how would you have faked such a simple device as this?
Now, I can't be sure this is what the guy in the video actually did, but I would have made sure my "weight" was one of those small high strength magnets or at least had one hidden inside of it where when I moved it closer to that slanting iron support it could better push off of the pulsing magnetic field which could be supplied from a solenoid underneath the table. Of course, I would probably have designed a little sensing circuit (you know, a little simple real world electronics, huh?) to provide the proper timing and give the correct feedback to keep the flywheel spinning.
You think the guy whispering the instructions to the guy with the screwdriver and who was manipulating the device designed the electronics?
I really hate pseudo-intellectuals with no real world experience, too. They are so easily conned, aren't they?
...but I guess everyone will believe what they will, though, won't they?
