Besslers Codes
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I have mounted the new axle and the first wooden plate on the flanges. Very tight and stable construction.
Today I got a second feedback from a female proofreader, she got a copy of the 12 first pages and concluded that she was not skilled enough in English nor had enough time to finish the book for me, but she made objective handwritten notes on these 12 pages.
She concluded that it did seem unlikely that Bessler was a fraud, and also summarized the material this way:
This is a true/real story about codes, symbols and hidden information that go beyond stories like the DaVinci Code by Dan Brown etc. but without the religious ties.
Today I got a second feedback from a female proofreader, she got a copy of the 12 first pages and concluded that she was not skilled enough in English nor had enough time to finish the book for me, but she made objective handwritten notes on these 12 pages.
She concluded that it did seem unlikely that Bessler was a fraud, and also summarized the material this way:
This is a true/real story about codes, symbols and hidden information that go beyond stories like the DaVinci Code by Dan Brown etc. but without the religious ties.
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I have noticed by your picture the wheel is much wider or was that to be hid in a axle casing?
What goes around, comes around.
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You can`t really see the width. It is all adjustable and undecided.
I can push the plates together until parts crash, or remove a flange.
Secondly I want to have room to work freely as this machine is for exploring the forces and principle, not to disprove that there are no dogs running inside.
I want to start with the maximum possible number of "crosses" and a wheel constructed with enough working space, not the other way around.
I can push the plates together until parts crash, or remove a flange.
Secondly I want to have room to work freely as this machine is for exploring the forces and principle, not to disprove that there are no dogs running inside.
I want to start with the maximum possible number of "crosses" and a wheel constructed with enough working space, not the other way around.
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Do you if it works yet?
If i understand you correct its only one mechanism multiplied several times right?
If i understand you correct its only one mechanism multiplied several times right?
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That is correct. That is what I have found.
It only "works" on paper/calculations. So I "know" it will work.
I am pretty sure that the principle has not been calculated/tested before. (If only by Bessler) I have never seen anything in any sketch or drawing through history that utilize this kind of motion and force (and I believe I have read, searched and seen more than many) thus it has the possibility to be "the exception". It can be found by taking at least 3 MT drawings together, and many other MT drawings show similar (but not the correct) main motion principle and they are not interconnected to harness the force/motion. The drawings to combine is also numbered according to the cipher codes, and I can add that the closest you can get graphically without being correct is the toypage.
It only "works" on paper/calculations. So I "know" it will work.
I am pretty sure that the principle has not been calculated/tested before. (If only by Bessler) I have never seen anything in any sketch or drawing through history that utilize this kind of motion and force (and I believe I have read, searched and seen more than many) thus it has the possibility to be "the exception". It can be found by taking at least 3 MT drawings together, and many other MT drawings show similar (but not the correct) main motion principle and they are not interconnected to harness the force/motion. The drawings to combine is also numbered according to the cipher codes, and I can add that the closest you can get graphically without being correct is the toypage.
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1,2 metre diameter
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And its more a geometric shape then a mechanical invention?
Briillantly simple, just take a wheel shape, divided by 4 adding some lines, multiplied by 5 and mounting it all in a suitable shape :)
I better start building tomorrow.......
Briillantly simple, just take a wheel shape, divided by 4 adding some lines, multiplied by 5 and mounting it all in a suitable shape :)
I better start building tomorrow.......
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Rune 2009
Rune 2009
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Nothing like that.. it`s just a mechanical invention that also happens to be proven by simple "sacret" geometry.
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Oystein has been pointing out that there appears to be 'one' mechanical contrivance [assembly] that also appears the exception to the laws of Newton & symmetry, as we currently understand they apply to mechanics & gravity.
Physics is defined & expressed with the language of math, of which geometry [sacred or otherwise] is a part - in this instance it appears that the 'assembly' also bears a striking resemblance to hitherto 'scared shapes & ratio's' in part.
Since the Laws of Nature supercede & trump any physics descriptions & thus man-made math expressions of the same, & assuming this assembly will indeed display an unprecedented & unexpected behaviour [according to known physics but perhaps not unknown but never applied in this way mechanics] then the conclusion is that there is a flaw in our collective reasoning & learning i.e. a chink in the armour of our physical descriptions exists & a sublime exception to rules & laws of gravity & physics happily coexists with the mundane.
The natural extension to that debate being that we are constrained in our understanding by the limitations of the models we choose to use to explain our world - in short, we are ignorant of an alternative explanation for many things currently set in concrete & backed up with empirical experimental evidence - should further empirical experimental evidence challenge those models & question their consistency then new theories will need to be developed to replace previous redundant laws.
Physics is defined & expressed with the language of math, of which geometry [sacred or otherwise] is a part - in this instance it appears that the 'assembly' also bears a striking resemblance to hitherto 'scared shapes & ratio's' in part.
Since the Laws of Nature supercede & trump any physics descriptions & thus man-made math expressions of the same, & assuming this assembly will indeed display an unprecedented & unexpected behaviour [according to known physics but perhaps not unknown but never applied in this way mechanics] then the conclusion is that there is a flaw in our collective reasoning & learning i.e. a chink in the armour of our physical descriptions exists & a sublime exception to rules & laws of gravity & physics happily coexists with the mundane.
The natural extension to that debate being that we are constrained in our understanding by the limitations of the models we choose to use to explain our world - in short, we are ignorant of an alternative explanation for many things currently set in concrete & backed up with empirical experimental evidence - should further empirical experimental evidence challenge those models & question their consistency then new theories will need to be developed to replace previous redundant laws.
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That seems like a reasonable conclusion Fletcher. I agree with you, firstly from the evidence from Besslers demonstrations, and secondly from the fact that he went very far to create his own cipher system aimed at proving geometric and mechanical solutions and descriptions. The cipher keys can also be found or confirmed in peculiar places which serves the purpose of securing the secret not to be lost. For those reasons I conclude that some specific mechanical phenomena exists, that can`t be explained within the existing frames of physics.
I hope my replication attempt may settle this.
Here is my wheel base, scaled like Besslers first wheel just to have something to compare the size to. The middle plate will be cut smaller, and I guess Bessler just used some "inner spokes" where I use a whole plate.
For the levers/arms I use aluminium, and for the "secret" function I use a modern pre-produced hardware store item, where Bessler would have needed some carpenter/mechanical hands on experience to make it work smoothly, but creating some scratching sound anyway I guess.
I hope my replication attempt may settle this.
Here is my wheel base, scaled like Besslers first wheel just to have something to compare the size to. The middle plate will be cut smaller, and I guess Bessler just used some "inner spokes" where I use a whole plate.
For the levers/arms I use aluminium, and for the "secret" function I use a modern pre-produced hardware store item, where Bessler would have needed some carpenter/mechanical hands on experience to make it work smoothly, but creating some scratching sound anyway I guess.
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Nice start Oystein. No easy task just cutting three round plates as I have discovered many times.. Finally I found a big box store (Lowes) near my home that has four foot diameter, precut, 3/4" plywood rounds for table making.
Yours is an exciting approach, that of re-engeneering a configuration from plans.
Good luck and remember if it defies the laws of motion it may define the "laws of perpetual motion."
Curtis
Yours is an exciting approach, that of re-engeneering a configuration from plans.
Good luck and remember if it defies the laws of motion it may define the "laws of perpetual motion."
Curtis
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Thank you, I know what you mean but what I am looking for would not be stopped by such a tiny imbalance. If it was, it is not the "excess weight" that I am looking for. If I care, I could tune the balance by gluing some washers etc. but I don`t think that will be necessary.
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Good point Jim. Unfortunately even MDF shares this quality of being of uneven density across its surface.
Ralph could weigh in here as he used to operate a machine that made MDF.
Regardless the material, it is a good idea to check for balance before getting too carried away with hanging various mechs. I would like your input Jim on how you personally have gone about this balancing process.
I usually just spin and spin my wheels with a weight that falls free and mark and mark where it comes to rest then add counter weights and repeat. This takes a long time.
Bessler said something to the effect, an ounce or two here or there makes not a wit of difference, so I usually don't get too carried away with balancing.
Ralph could weigh in here as he used to operate a machine that made MDF.
Regardless the material, it is a good idea to check for balance before getting too carried away with hanging various mechs. I would like your input Jim on how you personally have gone about this balancing process.
I usually just spin and spin my wheels with a weight that falls free and mark and mark where it comes to rest then add counter weights and repeat. This takes a long time.
Bessler said something to the effect, an ounce or two here or there makes not a wit of difference, so I usually don't get too carried away with balancing.