Magnet/gravity treadmill device questions

[POPSCAN]

Hi All,

Say a magnet track was 2 foot long and had a runner magnet inside a drum at the start of the track. The runner is ATTRACTED to the LOWERED track end by magnetic forces and gravity.

Now say the runner magnet in the drum could not reach the tracks end because both were on a special treadmill. Both runner and drum just turn in place without heading down the track ( That turning might last a lifetime.)

I need to know if anyone has made such a device or if such a device was ever patented. If so what is the patent number?

What would such a device be worth?

[eccentrically1]

what turns the treadmill?

[POPSCAN]

The runner magnet inside the drum which also turns.

[rlortie]

popscan,

I believe you are going to find that you need to be a little more explicit if you expect any feedback on your question.

I for one am at a total loss! I am sure others are too, they either will not admit it or do not give a damn.

Ralph

[Fletcher]

veproject1 is your man ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQjpSSbQUYE

[POPSCAN]

Thats very close to what I had in mind but he is using hands on.

What I want to see is NO HANDS and/or no trick wind or propelling forces hidden under the table.

If such a device as above existed what would it be worth?

[SpinnyThing]

Surely any overunity device would be priceless? :)

[POPSCAN]

Say a person had such a device how would he proceed to take it to the world without government or big oil money stepping in and quashing it? Or the inventor also

This should bring up ideas as to how to protect oneself while taking it to the world.

By the way I dont have any such device but like to think of what may happen if I did. And took it to the world.

[eccentrically1]

you'd apply for a patent protection, just like any device. that's the only protection for inventors and their inventions.

[POPSCAN]

Patent protection on an over unity device brings up a lot of red flags. First the device is some sort of threat to national security or it's a military secret. Men in black take it away and maybe the inventor also.

A priceless invention just brings out the GREED and NEED in a lot of folks.

So let's go another route - any suggestions?

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Popscan,

Email it to your friends with a video attached, but make sure you add a copyright warning.

Do not worry to much until you need to, times are changing now we are past peak oil and Gas, the stuff now is getting to expensive to get out of the ground so governments are also looking for a better way to make energy.

Regards Trevor Lyn Whatford

[pequaide]

Veproject1 is a group of fraudsters. They must think it is fun; and unfortunately it is apparently legal. They show working models of everything that did not work. They show some ‘working models’ that are just obviously stupid.

Strangely our protectors, that wish to keep us from wasting our time, don’t even complain. How is it that they will present false experiments and mention this fraudulent site but get all bent out of shape at a Newtonian solution? Their okay with it because it distracts people from doing something that will work.

In this experiment the deception is that; yes magnets will pick up steel spheres; but it will not turn it loose. It will cost you the same amount of Force to tear the sphere loose as was used to pick it up.

Another deception is that the magnet is held at an angle that is 90° to a spoke.  This appears to cause a tangent force that would accelerate the wheel.  But magnets are only marginally directional; their force goes sort of 360° 3D around the pole. The magnet is holding the sphere in place. The sphere is held a 7 o’clock; so what. The magnet would have to drop the sphere and grab it again; this dropping and grabbing would only occur if a second force is driving the wheel.

Brushless electric motors are tiny and inexpensive; I suspect this (or something like it) is the source of the motion.

Trebuchet throws are done with dozens of judges and hundreds of on lookers; not in a lab of fraud and deception. 

If smokin lamas threw the pumpkin without a tether the most distance they could get is 13.5 meters; but it throws 541 meters. Why? And what force and motion formulas do you use.

Are there any force motion formulas other than Newton’s?

[spinner361]

I have thought about how to release an invention like this and be safe. This is not completely thought out because I do not have a working prototype. Patent it yourself and submit the patent using certified mail delivery. Once delivery has been confirmed online, print it out. Then deploy a website for taking orders and flood the internet with videos with a link to your website. Do all of this swiftly just before disappearing for a while using cash and anonymity. Then see what happens. That is just the basic idea. There is more. It requires a lot of preparation. And oh yeah, a runner.

[johannesbender]

i would say ,media coverage , take a couple of videos that would
show as much "non fraud" as possible ,or one compiled video of all your
experiments and keep copys , send it out youtube news and perhaps to universities
anything you could think about that may tickle intrest from scientests proffesors
scholars and the public , make sure your will is order , take precautions for
so that if anything happens to you your device may be passed down
to someone else , try and destroy any doubt with all kinds of experiments in the videos

make sure you have all the details ready any one may ask of yoh
keep a safeguarded blueprint ?

my main thing would be to try and lure attention and have this
attention pointed to a website or any anonimous manner of comunication
to keep racking up the attention of people , then when you feel its the right time
and you have many offers and intrest of reputable companys or people
decide what you want to do.

i think the hardest would be keeping it your secret with all
the excitement and proudness , i just cant see patent being
your shield .

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Another fellow and I have invented a device where as the attracting magnet is stationary. One must hold our ROTATING wheel by its axle in the finger tips to see it operate. The wheel spins best about 6 inches away from the magnet. Presently--Finger touch. A patent pending will be applied for before information is released or a buyer for the device steps forward with an offer.

No electronics involved whatever. Just permanent magnets used.

Questions I have asked before were to determine if its worth going further and turn this into a hands off device.

As it stands now this might be used for a educational toy or executive plaything since its certainly not a perpetual motion machine or over unity device in its present form.

And YES permanant magnets will continuously turn a device on their own if arranged correctly with no help from electronics.