Furcurequs (aka Dwayne) questions Jim_Mich

[eccentrically1]

OK...would your wheel operate in a zero gravity environment?

I've been asked this question before. The answer is still the same. Yes, my wheel would work in zero gravity. It does not need to use gravity.

Does it need a push to get it started in zero gravity?

[TGM]

OK...would your wheel operate in a zero gravity environment?

I've been asked this question before. The answer is still the same. Yes, my wheel would work in zero gravity. It does not need to use gravity.

That is very interesting...I am having a difficult time imagining how it would.

Can't wait till you expose this idea to the World!

[Fletcher]

OK...would your wheel operate in a zero gravity environment?

I've been asked this question before. The answer is still the same. Yes, my wheel would work in zero gravity. It does not need to use gravity.

FYI .. Jim has also said you could lay the wheel over [so no gravity gradient in the equation] so that it were a horizontal wheel with vertical axle & it would also work.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi Fletcher,

I would say that is the only way a CF wheel could work, the wheel would need to laying horizontal, I am still puzzled how to move the weights against CF though. I will have to wait and see.

Regards TLW

[eccentrically1]

a CF wheel could work in any orientation. but does it need a push?

what would be the conditions necessary for a machine to produce motion from a push start?

discuss, i'll put on a fresh pot of tea.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi E1,

Sustainable energy or force!

I think you may be wrong about a vertical CF wheel unless it is gravity assisted.

Regards TLW

[eccentrically1]

the orientation wouldn't be a requirement. that seems logical, your machine would work better with infinite degrees of freedom. motion would happen around a point in 3 dimensions, not only 2, a spherical orbit. a set of 3 gyroscopes, one for each direction to balance and control the motion in all directions, and balance and control the resistance in all directions.
it would seem to me that your machine once set in motion would be capable of floating in a gravity based environment. it wouldn't need a ground, a working mass. it would be autonomous, free of its environment. it would have to have a heat signature, because it is not converting all its motion to motion. i'm not sure about that, maybe it would have zero thermal sign.
time for another cup of tea.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi E1,

Forgive for asking but how do you keep the gyroscopes spinning?

I am glad to see you are catching the Bug though.

Regards TLW

[jim_mich]

As one weight moves outward, another weight moves inward. And then they swap. On and on. This is the common goal of all wheel makers. This was what Bessler was seeking. But he eventually learned that weights moving inward and outward did not produce PM.

Then he had his dream. And his wheel turned. And by studying why it turned, Bessler was able to eliminate the effects of gravity so that he could make two-directional wheels. His wheel then gained its motion force completely from the motions of its weights, without interacting with gravity. His wheel worked like a Maxwell's Demon, except mechanical instead of thermal.

Der sind nun immer zwei und zwei;

Nun as zwei move outward, another zwei move inward.
Now (with the two-way wheels), they remain always balanced until given a push start. And they remain gravitationally balanced all the time by two moving outward as two move inward.

[Furcurequs]

OK...would your wheel operate in a zero gravity environment?

I've been asked this question before. The answer is still the same. Yes, my wheel would work in zero gravity. It does not need to use gravity.

FYI .. Jim has also said you could lay the wheel over [so no gravity gradient in the equation] so that it were a horizontal wheel with vertical axle & it would also work.

FYI.. Jim has also shown an incredible lack of understanding of some of the very fundamentals of physics. You can look to some of my previous posts in this thread to find links to the evidence of that, too.

So, caveat emptor... ...to all the potential buyers of his BS, for he seems to even lie to himself.

Dwayne

[eccentrically1]

i don't keep them spinning. they spin by themselves.
or whatever mechanism of motion you like - a two dimensional wheel with swapping weights - it keeps spinning by itself.
why would perpetual motion only work in 2 dimensions if it would work in zero gravity? direction shouldn't matter if gravity is not necessary.

[jim_mich]

Within a spinning environment such as a wheel, moving weights in the 3rd direction doesn't accomplish anything. It is rotationally neutral.

[Oystein]

Jim, I wonder when you are planning to finish the first prototype?

I also wonder why the weights that rest below, must be raised so quickly back up again? Would it not be easier to just do the movement horizontally/sideways, since it after all is a "motion-driven" wheel?

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi E1,

Because a gyroscope or spinning wheels has moving parts, and that means friction I do not see them spinning for long. Edit, without a energy or force input that is.

If you are talking about a grounded axle wheels, if you are taking about space then just spin any mass.

Personally I would not put 2 dimension limits on my search for Bessler's wheel or any of my wheel designs. I would not limit them to Gravity only inputs either.

Regards TLW

[eccentrically1]

Within a spinning environment such as a wheel, moving weights in the 3rd direction doesn't accomplish anything. It is rotationally neutral.

but if you can lay it on its side and it still works, the weights are necessarily suspended in the space of the wheel, between the sides, by their own motion. so they would have to be able to accomplish something in that direction, or they would "fall" down, because they aren't in zero gravity.