Drawings by preoccupied

[preoccupied]

Tarsier79, for practical purposes I hoped that you would choose the values of x and y for my ease of understanding, just to answer the question in a way that I can understand the concept.

Let T be 1.5 and the lever sits at 45 degrees before it is lifted completely vertically for question #1. Let me think about the other values when I know a little more about the solutions, or you could fill in the values with numbers that make sense for explaining the solution to me.

[preoccupied]

I think velocity has a tail. This tail pushes velocity and velocity doesn't pull. I drew velocity having a tail and the blue lines is centrifugal force after it disappears because of stopping the weights. I was swinging my arms around and it felt like I had impulse forward when I started with both of my arms together. I look at my idea of velocity having a tail and I see that the tails are touching so to support my hypothesis that I feel centrifugal force when I swing my arms around I think this tail velocity might have effects how centrifugal force splits up. If centrifugal force is a real force maybe it disappears because it cancels itself out unless the velocity tail touches itself. The blue lines is where I think the centrifugal force is going when I swing my arms around and stop suddenly. I think the centrifugal force splits in half and cancels itself out if I start with my arms apart and move inwards. I hope my idea can apply to a mechanical experiment or I've gone off on a wild tangent based on almost nothing. That would be crazy.

[Tarsier79]

Hi Preoccupied

Sorry for the delay. I am sick/tired at the moment, and doing a long day.

As mentioned before, there are many ways to skin a cat. Provided you get the right answer at the end, it doesn't matter where you start, or how you get there.

Personally, I am lazy, so I use an online triangle calculator for these types of calculations, like this one: http://www.calculator.net/triangle-calculator.html

Below "Forces" shows the simplified method of finding forces in a system like this. Forces 2 shows the values I used to find the angles required for the calculation. Note in this case, the force of the string will be the same as the force required by the counterweight.

Plug in to triangel calculator: 1kg, 45 degrees for lever, 82.076 degrees for string. =0.886 kg counterweight required for balance. This figure will change as the lever is lifted/dropped.

For your other calculation you just have to account for the leverage of the extra lever attached to the pulley.

[preoccupied]

Hi Tarsier79

Thank you. So I'm pretty the string is 1/(sin82.067)=1.009, where the pulley weight would be 1.009 lbs and force from the weight on the lever would be 1 lbs force. Or 1/1.009= 0.991, therefore 1 lbs pulley weight and 0.991 lever force. What is the calculation for the lever?

I'm going to make a guess. cos
So cos45=0.707, then 0.991*0.707=0.70069. Thus 0.70069 pulley weight and 1 pound weight on 45 degree lever balance.

Is that correct? I've not done trigonometry since before I got hit on the head.

[rlortie]

preoccupied,

Be careful about making statements about being hit on the head. This is the same story used by James Lindgaard when he first showed up on "Over-unity" and used it here on this forum.

Allegedly riding a bicycle, his story claimed that he was hit by a hit and run driver landing on his head. We were all supposed to feel sorry for him and be lenient.

Ralph

[preoccupied]

Ralph,

What's with this James Lindgaard guy? If I'm not mistaken Tyler was accused of being him after his very first post on this forum.

Thank you Ralph. I will be careful about mentioning that. I wouldn't want to be confused with James Lindgaard or his behavior.

[preoccupied]

I made an ms painting video of my motion/propulsion idea. When I swing my arms around it feels like there is propulsion when I stop my arms near right angles. When I do it repeatedly it's almost like I am jolted forward. So that's the basis for my hypothesis. I think there is propulsion when the weights are stared together and separate them repeatedly to right angles. Maybe that is Bessler's idea? The weights came to be lined together and applied force at right angles to the axis - I'm pretty sure that was said.

two oscillating weights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMJfj6c27Ho

[preoccupied]

The weights come together all the way in this next ms painting and separate to right angles even though the joints are not next to each other like the previous one. The previous one couldn't have the weights be next to each other because it would require a lot of force to initially separate them. oscillating weights 2 ms painting the force to move the weights is possible when the weights are next to each other. I actually don't know how to calculate the leverage on the different positions but I try to visualize it. The inner connections are still next to each other in this ms painting and I think I would have even easier leverage if I separated them also.

[rlortie]

preoccupied,

I consider you above depiction one of the better innovations you have presented to date.

I do however see what I believe to be a major set back. If the yellow connecting rod is supposed to act as a crank moving your scissored lever in and out, you have a problem. Crank, cross bars and sliders will turn with the axle and there will be no oscillating movement in the weights nor expanding and contracting. The whole unit will turn as one.

Ralph

[preoccupied]

rlortie,

Thank you again. I hope this innovation can cause propulsion.

What would you suggest turns the straight shaft? I have no experience with automobiles but I think there is something in automobiles that moves a straight shaft back and forth.

This next ms painting is what I think I meant for the scissors for ease of leverage. MS painting picture4 is long levers that make up 45 degrees to 90 degree connections.

preoccupied

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

I made an ms painting video of my motion/propulsion idea. When I swing my arms around it feels like there is propulsion when I stop my arms near right angles. When I do it repeatedly it's almost like I am jolted forward. So that's the basis for my hypothesis. I think there is propulsion when the weights are stared together and separate them repeatedly to right angles. Maybe that is Bessler's idea? The weights came to be lined together and applied force at right angles to the axis - I'm pretty sure that was said.

two oscillating weights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMJfj6c27Ho

Hi Preoccupied,

I like that video very much but not in that lay out. One weight falling and one weight lifting = zero torque when connected together like that. This is how I have seen it, I blocked out the bottom lever with my hand then I turned my lap top 180 degrees and that's how you should lay them out by splitting them so then the lever at the top half of the wheel provide torque to the crank shafts ( edit, you would need two ) as they fall to the middle, and the lever at the bottom of the wheel fall away from the middle and provide torque, with a flywheel connected it may well 360.

My Idea of multi levers is to spread them evenly around the wheel for better balance then use there leverage torque to drive the wheel, I use chains, gears, and slip ratchets to disconnect the levers from the drive shaft when they where doing no work which is why I did not go for cranks my self because of timing issues.

With thanks, TLW

[preoccupied]

I think Bessler might have literally meant the rim of his wheel when he said the weights applied force to the axis. If two weights can cause propulsion, then it might look like this next ms painting. The weights sit on the rim and if it were seen from the front the weights would all be sitting on the edge perpendicular to the viewpoint. In the ms painting the weights are seen from the side possibly oscillating. The device that moves the weights might be in the center of the wheel. Even if weights can produce propulsion, that doesn't mean they can produce perpetual motion machine. Discovering propulsion from moving weights would still a big discovery because it would create hover cars if someone finds it. I really think when I swung my arms around that I felt propulsion from stopping at a right angle when I started with my hands together. I could be fooling myself though. That is quite a flawed experiment.

[daanopperman]

Hi preoccupied ,

I looked at your oscillating weights idea , but I see just action reaction , now what would it be like if you swap the pivot movement to a pendulum , so that you do not on the return stroke move the pivot point back from where it came from , iow , store the one direction motion in a pendulum to keep the movement in a uni direction .

Also , if you separate the 2 weights with a distance , and place one weight on the wheel pivot , the other on a rim pivot , only the rim pivot will supply movement , but double the amount in the same direction , say on a ratcheted wheel .

[preoccupied]

daanopperman would you or anybody please elaborate about what you mean? I don't understand.

first what does "iow" mean?

I think a pendulum is completely different from what I was proposing. I proposed and possibly as a fantasy that weights can stop suddenly and produce propulsion because of stopping with that extra force. When a pendulum stops and changes direction there is no extra force at that point in the swing. A pendulum only has changing levels of force, where the most force is at the bottom of the swing and the least force at the beginning and end of the swing.

I would really like to know more about what you are talking about daanopperman.

[daanopperman]

Hi preoccupied ,

iow OIW in other words , I don't know if it is suppose to be in capital letters

Whether you use a single weight or multiple weights moving as unison , the same force ( action ) generate a counter (reaction ) force , but in the pendulum drawing following , the reaction will drive the green block to the right (pulsating force ) The reason for this is on the back swing of the pendulum from E to D there in no force pushing on the crank pin ,(red dot in the crank ) but from D to E , there is a sure force on the crank pin which is connected to the green block . (that is if you match the rpm of the crank to the pendulum swinging frequency )