Bessler Wheel question

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@veproject1

I look forward to seeing your finished model. Your earlier projects have shown a quality of construction hither-to unequalled.

Curtis

[justsomeone]

@veproject1, I see on your profile that you are an engineer. I also like your quality builds. Could you please spell out your intentions for making these models and videos. I do wish you explained to your viewers that every model you made don't work but this is what it would look like if it did work. Your objective? ??

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@Veproject1

Could you, please, exactly describe a mechanism that lifts hammers and a box. What is behind of this picture?

I am unable to describe Bessler's mechanism but in my opinion the illustration of the Merseberg wheel was akin to an advertisement aimed at the mining industry.

In this and other similar illustrations, the wheel was shown as being capable of lifting, pumping, and milling, all necessary functions in the mining industry. I do not believe that these illustrations were meant to demonstrate the wheels ability to do these various works simultaneously.

[helloha]

a image look and comparison at the measurement of Bessler's Wheel,
using reference from http://www.orffyre.com/measurements.html,
simply trace the shape over the image from the site


PS: height of human figure is 6 feet or 1.82 m

[ovyyus]

The Merseburg and the Kassel wheel were both 12 feet diameter.

[ruggerodk]

Did Bessler made any drawing of the Draschwitz wheel..?

[ruggerodk]

@veproject1

It is very possible, that these drawing (Kassel & Merseburg) show and hint to the secret internal working mech principle.

Suggesting the hammers/taps OR 'weights/rope' OR water/screw being part of the mech....

regards
ruggero ;-)

[Dunesbury]

No,no, load not mechanism. Mechanism slowly release weight inside each time round, little bit a time, like a slinky toy.

[helloha]

some eyewitness's account on the weight of the wheel

Several such weights, wrapped in his handkerchief, he let us weigh in our hands to estimate their weight. They were judged to be about four pounds each, and their shape was definitely cylindrical.

Before translocating the wheel, the Inventor who was performing the test for the officially appointed Commissioners, took out the weights and permitted one of them to be touched, wrapped in a handkerchief. He did not allow the weight to be touched on the end, but lengthwise, it felt cylindrical and not very thick.

maybe can make an estimated/appropriate guess on the size and shape of the weight

[Fletcher]

About the size & shape of a coke can.

[daxwc]

I would say the big cylinder, but only because I am biased to a concept.

"not very thick"??? In which plane, vertical or horizontal?

[jim_mich]

A 12 fl. oz. Coke can is 21.62625 cubic inches. (They're actually closer to 23.5 cubic inches since there's air space in the can.)

Lead weighs 0.4105 lbs per cubic inch.
... 4_lb ÷ 0.4105 = 9.744 cubic inches of lead
... 21.62625_fl.oz. × 0.4105 = 8.8899 lbs. of lead will fill a Coke can.
Actually a Coke can filled completely full of lead will weigh about 9.5 lbs when the air space is filled.

A 2.60 inch diameter 12 oz. Coke can when cut to 1.835 inches long will hold 4 lbs of lead.

So the lead weights were more like slightly smaller than half of a 12 oz. Coke can.

:)}

[Dunesbury]

I think maybe longer less wider, like roll of coin size, half dollar or dollar pieces. 1.5 inch wide, maybe 3.5 inches long.

[Fletcher]

it felt cylindrical and not very thick.

Sounds like something disk shaped.

N.B. jim_mich's calcs will be close for weight to volume - since the weights weren't allowed to be handled or seen at the ends we might conclude that they were pierced lengthwise with a hole, or perhaps a recess etc - so the volume might be larger than approx half a coke can depending on the volume of lead missing ?

[ovyyus]

My guess would be the weights were disk shaped, perhaps like small versions of the wheel shape. We don't know what they were made of and we don't know their form ie; solid, hollow, etc.