Any Buzzsaw Wheel Models for sale?

[justsomeone]

Yes Ralph, I do have my theory. I was just trying to understand your thinking. We aren't even on the same page but that's OK. The red wheel is the driver! ;)

[Tarsier79]

J. I hope your page involves involves using your "driver" to drive a brilliant added on device I cannot even begin to imagine, creating the extra energy needed to reset the weights on the outer ring.

[justsomeone]

Brilliant, certainly not but I think it is quite clever.

I would love to build a runaway wheel and film it with a high speed camera until it explodes.

[justsomeone]

Quote from Unbalanced :

If you allow that this discrepancy just may have been intentional, then you reduce the number of possible weight transfer probabilities a great deal.

I've brought this up before here but was dismissed outright twice.

I would be very keen to learn just which or how many gullets line up exactly at any given time and hope you will report back.



Hi unbalanced. I have not forgoten you and won't dismiss your request. When I get a chance I will align the two wheels and rotate and observe. I will take a pic and get back to you. Thanks for your interest.

[Unbalanced]

Thanks a lot JSO,

This may be more telling then many believe it to be. I really look forward to your findings.

[Grimer]

I can see why nobody can understand my explanation of the way the Keenie works and why.

Have fun.

[Tarsier79]

nobody can understand my explanation of the way the Keenie works and why

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I understand why nobody can understand you Grimer. It is because you don't know what you yourself are talking about, speaking complete rubbish about different forms of energy, not being able to prove any of them by experimentation or demonstration. Not only that, you are deluded enough to believe that you understand how devices work without even having proof that they actually do. When challenged mathematically, you have not even been able to reasonably argue your point, not even being able to point out the simple mistake I made in my mathematical arguement. Since you feel the Buzzsaw or Bessler wheel are so simple to understand, build a working model, or at the very least a demonstration proving your theory.

[rlortie]

kudos Tarsier!

I have been after grimmer to put up or shut up for some time.

Although I am working on a fluid drive system, I have decided to rebuild the "Heathen", only this time I am going to build it my way. Their will be some drastic changes made.

And for what it is worth, it is not the "keenie" wheel but the "Keno" wheel (Albert Keno 1859-1950 age 91)

Since this latest rehashing of this machine, I have had some innovations that did not materialize when I was stuck on duplicating the original. Now with an open mind I have been able to expand on the basics turning on some new light bulbs.

helloha is attempting to learn how to simulate the original in .wm2d, if he succeeds then he is going to try doing my version.

Ralph

[justsomeone]

Ralph, do you recall if the buzzsaw wheel had to be tied off once stopped? Was it balanced at rest? Did it require a push start?

[rlortie]

JSO,

If anyone saw it running, it had to be before 1940, Those with any memory of it say that it set ignored from pre-1940 until after Albert's death in 1959 when the estate was sold and the new owner moved it out to the apple tree.

Doc did not catch up with it until 1964 IIRC...

It is alleged that when running Albert had problems governing it. Kept searching and asking questions about various types of governors. According to Doc, his father stated that he held a timber against it to keep it from running away! This of course conflicts with other story's such as the one where the machine was running inside a building with shaft and saw exposed outside for cutting wood.

sorry but I cannot be of any help regarding whether it had to be tied off or not.

Which does bring up another subject; About those four un-threaded holes in the spokes previously mentioned. Doc did not become aware of these holes for quite a few years after it was in his possession. He said; "dummy me, I could have used those holes for putting a rod through to hold the two wheels from turning while loading it with weights".

Now your probably asking; why did I not mention this earlier? The answer is, I still have a compilation of Doc's material that I have not refreshed myself on. I still have a ways to go in editing it, and removing third party input that ended up in the same folder.

My question back to you is; if it ran, why did it set ignored for so many years? You would think that of all the family and heir apparent that were available, someone would pick up on it.

Ralph

[Grimer]

nobody can understand my explanation of the way the Keenie works and why

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I understand why nobody can understand you Grimer. It is because you don't know what you yourself are talking about, speaking complete rubbish about different forms of energy, not being able to prove any of them by experimentation or demonstration. Not only that, you are deluded enough to believe that you understand how devices work without even having proof that they actually do. When challenged mathematically, you have not even been able to reasonably argue your point, not even being able to point out the simple mistake I made in my mathematical argument. Since you feel the Buzzsaw or Bessler wheel are so simple to understand, build a working model, or at the very least a demonstration proving your theory.

I sympathise with your frustration, Tarsier79, I really do. But I'm more interested in pursuing the ideas myself than in teaching other people from scratch. If they can't keep up, tough.

However, if someone wants to ask a specific question relating to the mechanism I have described I'll be happy to do my best to answer it.

As far as the different energies are concerned I have already explained how different derivatives can be considered as independent forms of energy in the same way as heat is an independent form of energy. If that insight is too much cognitive dissonance for you then there's nothing more I can do.

However, I'm happy to say that I can see a way to simplify the working of the Keenie using two compound pendulums. The beauty of a compound pendulum is that one can slow things right down and so reduce the effect of air resistance.

One only needs to demonstrate that one starts off with a balanced wheel, allows a minor part of it to fall under gravity, transfer the energy of that minor part to the major part (which has a one way clutch) and use the recoil energy for reset. The rebalanced wheel will now have rotational energy which allows it to complete the 2pi rotation and restart the cycle.

What gave me the idea was someone referring to Bessler's comment about a single mechanism rotating very slowly (link?).

[Tarsier79]

You are right Grimer. I think you are suffering from a milder form of whatever Trevor suffers from. People don't need to keep up with you, because you are writing a fairy tale. I hope you enjoy yourself at the mad hatters tea party.

[Grimer]

I did enjoy myself very much at my mad hatter's tea party. As you correctly divined, I was the mad hatter and my grandchildren the cards. :-)

I think it was Chesterton who said that the fairy tales were the true tales. I'll have to see if I can find the quote.

Found it:

"Fairy tales are more than true — not because they tell us dragons exist, but because they tell us dragons can be beaten."

[rlortie]

Time for a refresher course!

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 4571#94571

[Grimer]

Interesting.

But whether the Keenie worked or not, and whether the Bessler wheel worked or not is totally irrelevant once one has an explanation of a device which will work - as indeed I have - and if anyone competent thinks about it long enough they will agree.