Is anyone working on any type of water wheel?

[ztropolis]

I would like to discuss theories of pressure and buoyancy and possible ways to harness them. So please chime in if you see any potential in this direction.

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

Hi ztropolis,

Welcome ztropolis!

I think leverage could make a fluid transfer wheel possible, but I would prefer to use buoyancy though, I am not worried about building another one just yet because there are a lot more simple builds I have stacked up waiting to be built.

[path_finder]

Dear ztropolis,
Welcome.
There are so many threads in this forum discussing on this subject. Make a research on the word 'buoyancy'.
Another link on the same subject: http://www.eagle-research.com/fenergy/gravity.html
I'm myself not interested by the water (only by the pure gravity), but good luck!

[Tarsier79]

Z how do you intend to use pressure/buoyancy? If you study hydrostatics, you will eventually see it is just the leverage of water. And bouyancy is just the mass of water pushing down.

Here is a device that was interesting for me to study: http://www.rexresearch.com/spiteri/spiteri.htm
The theory of operation is good enough to fool some engineers, and it has received an award in 2012.

[Lightwave]

i don't get how spiteri water pump works, in the center is air and weight, the air lifts the weight but then the weight pulls the air back down?

[Trevor Lyn Whatford]

When Bessler suggested that a working wheel could be found within the MT drawings he was not talking about his wheel, he was talking about fluid and buoyancy wheels and leverage, he never commented on the fluid designs.

There is nothing in the MT drawings even if added together could make his wheel work, his was a very simple design but very clever the way it gets over all the problems we are finding. he must of known fluid or buoyancy wheels could work and that's why he included so many of them to allow him to make that statement without compromising he mechanical wheel.

Edit, from my own experiments fluid and buoyancy are the only MT drawing I could make to work, and I have done a lot of builds and experiments and I am still doing them, you will like my next one I think, but it will take some time before I can build the many options to find the best.

Just a thought.

[Tarsier79]

The differential pressure on the top and bottom air tanks, is supposed to be enough to lift the COM of the inner mechanism, so it overbalances. It then lifts again, then tips over. The device is symetrical so it acts the same way upright, and upside down. There are locking mechanisms on both the lifting and the tipping mechanisms to keep timing of both components. There are animations and not to scale drawings available if you look hard enough.

[Lightwave]

I think I get it now thank you Tarsier79, it is ballanced the air lifts just the weight making it top heavy and it flips over.

[Rafael Ti]

Hi ztropolis
Looks like some people try;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yWfjIxKluc

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[Fcdriver]

I think a 9 point would work better than a 8 point

[AB Hammer]

Rafael Ti

I don't see any gain. Sorry

Fcdriver

9 or 8 I still don't see any gain. Sorry

[Fcdriver]

The outer fills at 2:30 position and empties sooner, as long as the 4 to 1 ratio is followed, it comes close. Only as fast as the water levels it's self, I estimate 12 to 15 rpm max