How Difficult can it be?

rasselasss · Post by **rasselasss** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:22 pm

This post is more of a response to J.C.'s blogsite which i can't seem to post a sketch on regarding the Bessler X's,to me its in relation to the "lazy tongs"and their use in leverage through the axle.....this is a very rough sketch to show the "starting point"for this "x"design.....unworkable in this state...

John Collins · Post by **John Collins** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:52 pm

Sorry about that Rass (Mark?) I'll look to see if I can add that feature so you can post images of some sort. Like the idea with the X's!

JC

rasselasss · Post by **rasselasss** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:58 pm

This is an idea i looked at searching for a Mechanical Solution in the past,...fixed backplate/axle/crank,unworkable in this state but,to show the use of a "crank"in the axle...rough sketchs to illustrate.....I wish you all Good Luck and a "Healthy and Happy New Year" ..

rasselasss · Post by **rasselasss** » Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:16 pm

As above fixed backplate/axle/ cranks.....This is another idea i looked at ,double crank ,with a one inch hole outboard of the weight arms in the shaft ,as usual i wanted minimum number of parts(2 rough sketchs to show principle)if i rem.correctly Besslers drum would be deep enough to contain this mech.and conceal,again the one inch hole is important to this design which i am sure folk can devise their own ideas if interested......

rasselasss · Post by **rasselasss** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:56 pm

Familiar to many here,as a child we used to make these little paper "heat mills"driven by the heat rising from the hand(stirling type effect?)..anyway i had a work colleague who installed some ventilation fans in a copper mine in Zambia (many years ago)the mine was over 2 miles deep and the temp.was 45-60degrees C. (Dantes inferno hellhole)he made a 2 foot mill similiar to the photo out of alloy,with a low friction bearing and a pointed tungsen tipped shaft vertically placed in the ground on the floor of the mineshaft ,he said it went round really quick,at that time no-one was interested,energy prices were cheap.....just a thought for any interested in this type of topic.

murilo · Post by **murilo** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:22 pm

Rasssss,
this was a beautiful experiment!

The guys that recover 'geothermal' energy use same system but together to more mech apparatus!

Geothermic is an indeed huge goal... almost as our faithfully 'g'!

rasselasss · Post by **rasselasss** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:02 pm

Developed in the 17th century...

rasselasss · Post by **rasselasss** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:02 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmos_clock

rasselasss · Post by **rasselasss** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:06 pm

http://www.atmosadam.com/howitworks.html

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:44 am

Boy, this surely must be a wrinkle free thread now. I mean, with all this irony going on?

:D

rasselasss · Post by **rasselasss** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:34 am

"Irony"..a good word Mark,unfortunately the "pity"is in the reading of other threads here of the never ending "patenting and what if"which reminds me of Bessler's condemnation of Wagner ,though used in a different context ..."He puts the cart before the horse"..

rlortie · Post by **rlortie** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:25 pm

IIRC, there is mention of Bessler being innovated to build his machine after watching a "Smoke jack" roasting meat.

An excerpt from Wikipedia with a picture found at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roasting_jack

Leonardo da Vinci sketched a smoke-jack with four vanes. Smoke-jacks were also illustrated in Vittorio Zonca's book of machines (1607), and in Wilkins's Mathematical Magick. The 1826 A Treatise of Mechanics describes a smoke-jack:

Smoke-jack is an engine used for the same purpose as the common jack; and is so called from its being moved by means of the smoke, or rarefied air, ascending the chimney, and striking against the sails of the horizontal wheel AB, which being inclined to the horizon, is moved about the axis of the wheel, together with the pinion C, which carries the wheels D and E; and E carries the chain F, which turns the spit. The wheel AB should be placed in the narrow part of the chimney, where the motion of the smoke is swiftest, and where also the greatest part of it must strike upon the sails.â€”The force of this machine depends on the draught of the chimney, and the strength of the fire.

Smoke-jacks are sometimes moved by means of spiral flyers coiling about a vertical axle; and at other times by a vertical wheel with sails like the float-boards of a mill: but the above is the more customary construction.

You may also find this link of interest: http://www.history-science-technology.c ... es%201.htm

Art · Post by **Art** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:39 pm

Hi Rass ,

This guy sounds like he is from over your way ?

His video is titled " Free Energy My Ass " : )

I feel for him !

http://youtu.be/FmXBebQzMyQ

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:02 am

I love the joke at the end of the video.

rlortie · Post by **rlortie** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:29 am

Viewing the above link, lead me to this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmXLLqTnSs

I found it of interest with the recent discussion of flywheels and the energy they can store.

The largest flywheel I have ever heard about or seen pictures, was a massive 40 feet in diameter. Used to pump water out of a mine in Nevada, IIRC the depth was over 3,000 feet.

Ralph

BesslerWheel.com

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