Another claim to a working device...

[Ed]

Impact motor need superballs !
Absent minded professor 's Flubber!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119137/plo ... tt_stry_pl

Funny, I was just thinking it takes someone with superballs to use Bessler's portrait as his avatar.

[Tarsier79]

Sorry about the poor video Grimer. In the sim, it does impact, and it is not jerky. Unfortunately I have reached my total attachment limit, and haven't figured out how to delete them.

[Dunesbury]

Impact motor need superballs !
Absent minded professor 's Flubber!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119137/plo ... tt_stry_pl

Funny, I was just thinking it takes someone with superballs to use Bessler's portrait as his avatar.

Why?
Bessler just man.
So Edison.

[Grimer]

Sorry about the poor video Grimer. In the sim, it does impact, and it is not jerky. Unfortunately I have reached my total attachment limit, and haven't figured out how to delete them.

That explains things. I have to have another look at it this afternoon when I get back from central London.

I didn't realise their was an attachment limit. Thanks for pointing that out. I use a lot of attachments though they are very rarely anything complicated.

A PM to Scott should sort out your attachment problem.

[Grimer]

Quick mockup of the basic building blocks of Grimers pulse motor: http://youtu.be/XvoZloDccNg

The falling weight + the block it impacts against has an elasticity of 1 in the simulation.

Well I'm back from the Oratory and I've carefully examined the frames around the recoil apogee of the simple pendulum.

Now the key question one needs to answer is this:

Does the compound pendulum, plus the simple pendulum in reset position forming a balance beam, continue to rotate clockwise after reset (around 3 secs into GPM.mp4)

And you know what! - there are no less than 7 frames showing continued clockwise rotation beyond this point. Moreover, it's not until the simple pendulum has dropped well past thirty degrees to the horizontal that gravity action on the now unbalanced compound pendulum starts to reverse the rotation and send the compound pendulum counter clockwise.

Congratulations, Kaine your name will go down in history as the first person to publish a simulation demonstrating that asymmetric gravity action can be harnessed as a source of power.

I'd shake you by the hand except that my arm won't stretch as far as Oz.

No doubt the peanut gallery will now shout "fake" and claim the Brits and a Wizard of Oz have conspired to put one over on the Yanks. :-)

[justsomeone]

Grimer, I cant believe you are excited about that video. That arrangement will not turn 360 degrees! And like I tried to tell you in your private forum, even if you have several of these spaced around the wheel, a one way clutch to prevent anticlockwise rotation is useless once the wheel is rotating! You can not prevent back torque from being felt using a one way clutch once spinning. Its a one shot deal and that one shot does not rotate 360 degrees.

Also once rotating the impact from the falling weight will not be the same as the impact from a stopped wheel.

While I am at it, after the impact and while the weight is returning to its original position ( as you hope it to ) , it is not felt on the wheel. That is another loss.

[Grimer]

I'm afraid you haven't understood, Justsomeone.

If you did you would be excited too because the your Keenie wheel has just increased in value by squillions. Your number has come up on the wheel of fortune.

[justsomeone]

It is not the Keenie wheel. Keno

[rlortie]

Grimer,

I agree with JSO, the machine you refer to as the "Keenie" was designed by Albert Keno, Mohawk County New York. The castings pf parts were spread out over a number of forging mills. He did not want anyone to know what the end result would look like or what it was for.

Quote from Doc with brevity from my files:

The original inventor (Albert Keno) was born in 1859. Died in 1950 at the age of 91. He was an old family friend of my father & grandfather. According to my uncle who worked for him while he was perfecting this wheel said he had this thing cast about 1909. It was the end result of numerous models made of wood with iron weights. According to my uncle it did run. Two of the old boy’s daughters were still alive & I talked to them. They also said it ran. Including I wooden wheel that tangled & exploded sending the weights thru the woodshed walls. Anyhow when I got this thing it was as you see in the pictures. It had 12 weights in it & so I assumed that 16 slots on inside wheel, 8 slots on outer wheel plus 12 weights equals 2 to 1 ratio. Well that didn’t float. So it’s been stagnating ever since. My uncle years ago had said as he remembered it was 7 going down and 1 being raised. I kind of dismissed that as I had 12 weights. Now I think the old boy was kind of cagey & added some extra weights to throw future wheel people off. There is no room for more than 8 weights on the side so why not lift just 1 at a time? 8 to 1 ratio. Or was my uncle right that it was 7 going down raising 1 up??? These weights are cast iron 12 lbs each. The whole machine is cast iron. Boys she’s heavy!! A real finger masher also!! Trust me I know. That’s why I’ve walked away from it many times. I got this thing back in 1969 and since then all people I have talked to have passed on. But I do think I got all the info that was still available from them. I can’t discount it as they were all good honest people & I received the same exact info from many different sources. Kind of a wonderment it!!

We now know its true origin and what it looks like, as for what it is for or supposed to work is still questionable. I do not see where Kaine has done anything to raise the value of the "KENO" device that Doc nicknamed the "Heathen"...

Ralph

[Grimer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ3fjQa5Hls

Greetings from Australia

Hans von Lieven

In a reply post I was told that the old man was known to his friends as Keenie.

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: re: new thoughts

G'day Doc,

Thank you for your prompt answer. You needn't worry about me, controversy is not foreign to me and I can hold my own :-)

I remember reading in this thread somewhere that there was one part at least where an accurate fit was detrimental and that there had to be some movement. Am I wrong in this?

I hate having to go through all 36 pages of this thread to find the reference, if it is there. As to the counter spinning movement, I know that cannot happen. I do however have an explanation as to why someone would see this if my assumptions about the function of the wheel are right. That is why I asked, I kind of expected someone to remark on that.

Greetings from Kangarooland

BTW. Keenie is lovely. I shall refer to him from now on as "Pop Keenie" and to the wheel as "Pop Keenie's Wheel". I love it. I have a feeling the old man would have liked that too.

Hans von Lieven

And I agree with Hans - so sue me. :-)

[Tarsier79]

Does the compound pendulum, plus the simple pendulum in reset position forming a balance beam, continue to rotate clockwise after reset

Grimer, the big problem is that the pendulum never reaches its reset position beside the other weight, where it perfectly balances the mechanism. In the simulation, the small weight and it's impact point have perfect elasticity. A real life reaction will never return the pendulum to the required height.

This second video, I have locked the pendulum at its maximum height to see how far the body will rotate. Again, for reset, the pendulum, and its balance need to reach at least 6:00, so the pendulum can be latched in the correct reset position:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60nZZ1c ... e=youtu.be

[Grimer]

No problem. As I pointed out you use the same trick as I used in the first place, i.e. an earth reaction to rest the pendulum at its apogee and let the compound pendulum continue to rotate clockwise and pick it up. From the looks of things it won't have to rotate very far.

Once you have it perfectly balanced then the remaining inertia will keep it rotating indefinitely.

Go to my blog and re-read GPM Mark 2

Nice video by the way.

As for the BW attachment problem, why not park it on Photobucket. You'll have to register if you're not already a member.

Once you've done that, write up the rationale and put it on YouTube before someone else does and tries to claim the credit.

Censor all comments.

Edit: ...and now back to bed. I only got up to have a pee :-)

I realized you were probably awake by now so I though I'd check my mail.

[Tarsier79]

I see what you mean, but the two will never meet. In WM2D, they do just meet when the compound pendulum has lost all its energy. In this case The material is perfect, and there is no wind resistance, so this simulation is a theoretical best case, ie unrealistic. IMO the only way for your idea to proceed is real world testing.

[Furcurequs]

Tarsier79,

Nice avatar!

We may be related! This is the picture I used as my Yahoo chat avatar for years:



http://www.namibian.org/travel/wildlife ... aby_fs.jpg

...lol

ETA: According to this we may be in different families and so are only distantly related.

http://www.sfcelticmusic.com/js/LEMURS/ ... _Different

Dwayne

[Grimer]

I see what you mean, but the two will never meet. In WM2D, they do just meet when the compound pendulum has lost all its energy. In this case The material is perfect, and there is no wind resistance, so this simulation is a theoretical best case, ie unrealistic. IMO the only way for your idea to proceed is real world testing.

The two will meet if you do what I say. The compound pendulum will not have lost all its energy because the energy of fall of the simple pendulum is trapped within the closed system and has to manifest itself as angular momentum.