THANK YOU Tom, for your plain words of wisdom.
Raj
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What I am, supposedly, claming with my above design/idea/drawing is that my wheel would be overbalanced through 360 degrees rotation.
I am NOT claiming that it is a RUNNER!
Look at my drawing again. You will agree with me the weights in the drawing are in assymmetric position, all hanging/swinging from the wheel inside.
Bearing in mind that the drawing are drawn to physical scale of the proposed wheel, you will agree with me that the weights on the clockwise side would provide a torque surplus on the clockwise side of the wheel.
This can be easily checked bu measuring with a ruler.
I have, faithfully, drawn the positions of these weihts, at 11.25 degress intervals, through to their 45 degrees resetting position, and they have shown a continuous net torque surplus on the clockwise side of the wheel.
Raj
I am NOT claiming that it is a RUNNER!
Look at my drawing again. You will agree with me the weights in the drawing are in assymmetric position, all hanging/swinging from the wheel inside.
Bearing in mind that the drawing are drawn to physical scale of the proposed wheel, you will agree with me that the weights on the clockwise side would provide a torque surplus on the clockwise side of the wheel.
This can be easily checked bu measuring with a ruler.
I have, faithfully, drawn the positions of these weihts, at 11.25 degress intervals, through to their 45 degrees resetting position, and they have shown a continuous net torque surplus on the clockwise side of the wheel.
Raj
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Raj,
The only word of caution that I can give is that when you draw at 11.5 degree intervals you don't draw the weight where you'd like it to be.
Consideration has to be given to how that weight got there from its last interval position.
Drawings are snap shots, where as actual wheels are fluid.
Chris
The only word of caution that I can give is that when you draw at 11.5 degree intervals you don't draw the weight where you'd like it to be.
Consideration has to be given to how that weight got there from its last interval position.
Drawings are snap shots, where as actual wheels are fluid.
Chris
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I have tried to build a very crude physical model to check the concept.
First picture is the small wheel in the above drawing. Please not that this small wheel is in fact THREE small wheels, each on separate HUBS but on one and single axle:
One in the centre from which strings/cords are attached and hangs/swings the LARGER wheel and two on either side on the axle on which rest the INNER rim of the larger wheel.
(I know that the above cannot be deduced just by looking at the drawing above)
Raj
First picture is the small wheel in the above drawing. Please not that this small wheel is in fact THREE small wheels, each on separate HUBS but on one and single axle:
One in the centre from which strings/cords are attached and hangs/swings the LARGER wheel and two on either side on the axle on which rest the INNER rim of the larger wheel.
(I know that the above cannot be deduced just by looking at the drawing above)
Raj
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Second and third pictures are of the larger. Please note how the inner rims of this wheel would look like.
Raj
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And this how the finished will crudely look like
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After posting my drawing a few days ago, I confessed that that made a mistake, and that it probably need an additional element.
Then a day or two later, I confirmed that my large wheel and small wheel will rotate at the same rpm and that the wheel would be overbalanced through 360 degrees.
Kindly allow me a few hours and I'll come back with explanation and drawings to explain the new element that was needed.
Raj
Then a day or two later, I confirmed that my large wheel and small wheel will rotate at the same rpm and that the wheel would be overbalanced through 360 degrees.
Kindly allow me a few hours and I'll come back with explanation and drawings to explain the new element that was needed.
Raj
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Raj,
Take your time mate. No ones rushing you. After all wheel research isn't all and everything :)
Take care
Chris
Take your time mate. No ones rushing you. After all wheel research isn't all and everything :)
Take care
Chris
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Chris,
I repeat. I value all comments, advice and FRANC-PARLER.
Thank you.
I repeat. I value all comments, advice and FRANC-PARLER.
Thank you.
Keep learning till the end.
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I had initially calculated torques provided by the weights simply by measuring their positions and I was quite happy to see a torque surplus on the clockwise side of the wheel.
When I built my very crude physical model of the wheel, I found that it was not behaving as I had expected.
On looking closely for the reason why it was not moving as per the drawing measurement, I realised my mistake in design.
The weights on the counter-clockwise side of the wheel were acting directly and only on the larger wheel, whilst weights on the clockwise side were not acting directly and only on the larger wheel, but were acting on both the larger wheel and the smaller central hub, which I guess , would make a difference in torque.
In the drawing below, I have added some new elements to the design. NOW, I am much happier.
I have changed the diameter of the centre hub(HUB WHEEL- in red - in the drawing ) equal to the diameter of the larger wheel, and connected this hub wheel with the larger swinging/hanging wheel with another set of strings/cords at 45 degrees intervals.
This change in design, would make the actions of the weights on the smaller central hub, act directly on the larger wheel, because the enlarged hubwheel is connected and turning at the same rpm with the swinging/hanging larger wheel.
In other words, the new added elements assure that all the weights, both on the counter-clockwise and clockwise sides of the wheels are acting directly on the swinging/hanging larger wheel.
Torques calculations based on positions of weights inside wheels become much more reliable now.
I sincerely hope that you can follow my explanations.
Raj
When I built my very crude physical model of the wheel, I found that it was not behaving as I had expected.
On looking closely for the reason why it was not moving as per the drawing measurement, I realised my mistake in design.
The weights on the counter-clockwise side of the wheel were acting directly and only on the larger wheel, whilst weights on the clockwise side were not acting directly and only on the larger wheel, but were acting on both the larger wheel and the smaller central hub, which I guess , would make a difference in torque.
In the drawing below, I have added some new elements to the design. NOW, I am much happier.
I have changed the diameter of the centre hub(HUB WHEEL- in red - in the drawing ) equal to the diameter of the larger wheel, and connected this hub wheel with the larger swinging/hanging wheel with another set of strings/cords at 45 degrees intervals.
This change in design, would make the actions of the weights on the smaller central hub, act directly on the larger wheel, because the enlarged hubwheel is connected and turning at the same rpm with the swinging/hanging larger wheel.
In other words, the new added elements assure that all the weights, both on the counter-clockwise and clockwise sides of the wheels are acting directly on the swinging/hanging larger wheel.
Torques calculations based on positions of weights inside wheels become much more reliable now.
I sincerely hope that you can follow my explanations.
Raj
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I am about to prove that gravity wheel WILL work!
I have just done a partial concept testing of my very NEW DESIGN I conceived only this afternoon, out of the blue, during my routine brainstorming session.
The things that has astonished me in this new concept, is the rise and fall of weights.
I put two weights, one on either side of the axle on a fairly balanced wheel, that immediately turned by itself and surprisingly, the respective rise and fall heights were equal.
Raj
I have just done a partial concept testing of my very NEW DESIGN I conceived only this afternoon, out of the blue, during my routine brainstorming session.
The things that has astonished me in this new concept, is the rise and fall of weights.
I put two weights, one on either side of the axle on a fairly balanced wheel, that immediately turned by itself and surprisingly, the respective rise and fall heights were equal.
Raj
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Raj
Seeing as no one else is asking, what do you mean when you say :
'I put two weights, one on either side of the axle on a fairly balanced wheel, that immediately turned by itself and surprisingly, the respective rise and fall heights were equal. '
This does not say much by itself.
Do you mean the two masses are of equal weight or are different ?
In general terms are the start heights the same or have you loaded PE before release ?
Are the weights diametrically opposite and radially the same ?
And are the support arms articulated ?
Don't show a design if you don't want to , just give us a general idea.
Chris
Seeing as no one else is asking, what do you mean when you say :
'I put two weights, one on either side of the axle on a fairly balanced wheel, that immediately turned by itself and surprisingly, the respective rise and fall heights were equal. '
This does not say much by itself.
Do you mean the two masses are of equal weight or are different ?
In general terms are the start heights the same or have you loaded PE before release ?
Are the weights diametrically opposite and radially the same ?
And are the support arms articulated ?
Don't show a design if you don't want to , just give us a general idea.
Chris
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Hmm, seems like a lot of questions for a vulture :D
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A molting vulture even. ;-)
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Ovyyus
You're turning into quite the annoying turd aren't you.
Everytime I post now you're there with your snide comments. In fact since I returned to this forum you seemed to have targeted me .
What is your problem ? Be a man, step up to the plate and say what's really on your mind instead of making faggoty comments.
Start your reply with ' I don't like Chris because ... '
Grow some nuts .
The one thing about me is that I'm honest. I say it how it is. I don't hide behind pseudonyms . I like to think also that I bring ideas here that are at a tangent to most.
What is it you bring again of late apart from an over riding bitterness ?
If I ask Raj to clarify something he said it really is for his benefit not mine. What Raj is doing now I have covered years ago. Just giving him a nudge away from dead ends I've gone into.
In closing, don't go giving it the large with me Ovyyus me old mate as you are about impressive as your designs over the last 10 years, and your innovative mind I could fit on the full stop that ends this sentence .
Chris
You're turning into quite the annoying turd aren't you.
Everytime I post now you're there with your snide comments. In fact since I returned to this forum you seemed to have targeted me .
What is your problem ? Be a man, step up to the plate and say what's really on your mind instead of making faggoty comments.
Start your reply with ' I don't like Chris because ... '
Grow some nuts .
The one thing about me is that I'm honest. I say it how it is. I don't hide behind pseudonyms . I like to think also that I bring ideas here that are at a tangent to most.
What is it you bring again of late apart from an over riding bitterness ?
If I ask Raj to clarify something he said it really is for his benefit not mine. What Raj is doing now I have covered years ago. Just giving him a nudge away from dead ends I've gone into.
In closing, don't go giving it the large with me Ovyyus me old mate as you are about impressive as your designs over the last 10 years, and your innovative mind I could fit on the full stop that ends this sentence .
Chris