How Difficult can it be?

[rasselasss]

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[gravitationallychallenged]

I read that Bessler worked as a clock maker for a time. It would be safe to assume that he used elements of clock mechanisms to acheive his overbalanced wheel. He also indicated that the wheel was propelled by the inertia of the 'swinging' of the weights which created a perpetual imbalance. Ralph's link to the video of flywheel engines got me thinking of how their flywheels store inertia & spin several revolutions between power strokes. I tend to think that the mechanisms within Bessler's wheel were timed to provide a an impulse to the rotation at certain intervals. That could explain why the wheels were able to maintain a constant rpm.

[rasselasss]

It's time to go...the lunatics have taken over the asylum....Good Luck..

[Art]

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Well , I suppose , -when you gotta go , you gotta go ! : )

Which particular lunatic is making you want to go ?

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[rasselasss]

The lazy tongs appearing smaller in distance...point to compound levers..and their existence.......To the right of the page, symbols ,one two,one two..all the way down......the beat of the weights shifting ..as the wheel goes round....The two little chaps,above and below..two without arms suggests coasting..or slow.......To me they're not clues but statement of fact...thats how i knew ..i was on the right track.....I thought i'd keep the best till last...then i'm finished with this task.....Now i'll include it in a riddle..so them that know can have a fiddle......There's a one inch hole ,outboard of the shaft slot...if it is vertical ..it'lll help ..a lot......But what will work through it.. i hear you ask...that my friends i have to mask.....So girt your loins,as they say....very useful ..to work your way......Some letters and numbers here ..that few don't know...but without their use there'll be no show.....1scootahah4.........Now winters here the light failing at five..then.temperature plummeting ?.....what time sunrise ?.......

..............Near six(?) months and none are clever enough to solve this simple riddle,.....no,its better to argue among yourselves than see the solution you desire "starring you in the face."

[daanopperman]

Hi rasselasss ,

"How difficult can it be " you ask .
I have not visited the forum often lately , not because I did not want to , but because I could not . Being on my own gave me some time to ponder the wheel , not how it worked , but how it was nothing short of a miracle .
Inside the confines of the covered cyl J.B. displayed and had tested running for 54 days , nothing short of a small " EXPLOSION "had to continuously occur inside . By explosion I do not mean literally , but something that had the same effect . The time I was alone also cured me from " falling weights , swinging weights , leverage , centrifugal force , out of balance due to multiple axels , morphing weights , pressure differentials , whether from water head or vessels under water , precession . That leaves very little for something to power a axel , I say axel for I do not know if the wheel even had a rim . Many will say a falling weight and gravity , but take a tank full of compressed air and power a airtool with the hp air , then put the spent air back into the tank without a compressor . To lift 70 lb's of bricks , no matter how slow , with something that is not alive , is not powered by any known source for as long as the universe will last , I ask you , How difficult can it be .

[rasselasss]

Daan,don't stop looking,the solution is simple but alas most here look in the wrong places,most all my posts have spelliing errors ..but.. deliberate, as a pointer for those with intelligence enough to understand the significance...i'll give you this to think on...1lb.will oscillate and unbalance a 1lb.equal weight when first placed on a "balance scale"until "balance"....how to keep unbalance(osciillation or up/down movement to "switch")...the use now of C/F inside of a rotating wheel context once movement is initiated...think on this....for continuous motion...

[daanopperman]

Hi rasselasss ,

C/F is to be generated , it is not a naturally occuring force , like anything to be generated it takes more energy to generate than what you can retrieve from it .

[daxwc]

rasselasss I could see a scenario where this would work if you got a feedback system that would use the force of the earth's momentum.

[rasselasss]

Daan,its not about "retrieving"....its about how to "use"...

[rasselasss]

Daxwc,...solve the simple riddle,you will "see"what Karl saw.......remember the weight the wheel could lift,how many Lb,s ,then think what size a wheel required to lift a one Ton weight ?....Steam although in its infancy could easily manage this......Karl knew the disadvantages....I.M.O.....

[daxwc]

My opinion Karl just didn't understand it all, some of the system was hidden.

One thing Foucault's Pendulum did teach us is that frame of reference can be broken at the surface level of earth.

[rasselasss]

Daxwc,"parameters"taught to us in youth,although useful,inhibit and stifle original thought,..predicting outcomes ,we all make the inevitable errors of judgement using these different disciplines,...look in "simple"not complicated ....try "setting"aside our knowledge's influence and looking at the problem using a different approach...

[rasselasss]

It's my belief it was Bessler's greed ,the demand for money,the timing with the onslaught of "The industrial Revolution"and Newcomen's steam invention which was common knowledge to the likes of Karl and industrialists ,the timeline was disastrous for Bessler,the interest shown waning from 1712 onward,we have the evidence of Academic's but where were the Industralists ?....they were looking for more compact/powerful machines easily moved and which could be maintained by Blacksmiths ,it was unfortunate for Bessler.....Just my opinion,he should'nt have "held out "for such a large sum of money.......edited to add,which would you buy into,an impresssive,powerful m/c made of iron that could rip your arm off or a crude wooden wheel that could be stopped by hand as i said J.M.O.....

[rasselasss]

Ovyyus,..Thanks for the invite to join your "private user group" but as the membership is composed of mostly regular posters that log on to this Forum,i don't see the point to it but thanks anyway for the invitation....Good Luck..