Conservative forces

[primemignonite]

DEAR RALPH, I am going to try once again to shut this tempest-in-miniature down, by means of this post, then - no more. My apologies, too, are respectfully offered for any diluting harm done to the pristineness of your thread, and, contrary to Ed's mistaken assertion, my original, as well as the follow-up posting, WAS on topic, or at least COLLATERALLY SO, with regard to the Gary motor interest. - b/r, James Miller

Ed:

We all know what you wrote and how I respond to it. This chewing over of old bones is pointless to go on with, but, since you insist on offering-up fresh foolishness, and actively ignore facts relevant, I have no choice but to respond to at least a portion of it.

It's obvious to honest observers that you purposely set out to accomplish harm, and succeeded in a small, but effecting way, my reaction standing as proof for the latter. As I mentioned in my main opus, the key fact is, that you could NOT HAVE BEEN UNAWARE of the reaction that your posting would elicit. If you were unaware, then you must be borderline moronic, which I don't believe.

In making your case, you've chosen to anchor it on a quicksand of indignation, and phantom, mis-guided principle, and further, continue to blather-on about some imagined "censorship" that I supposedly asked for, etc. I believe, as is the case with the majority of our rotted-out society today, that your capacity to set right that which you did wrong, may be an act of which you are simply incapable. PROVE me wrong!

You were referring to good old "techstuff", am I correct on that? I like him a lot. He seems to occupy a low place on the totem pole around here, which in truth, is probably a place of honor, a place where I am headed for permenent residence, or so it would seem. That's too bad, for "Techstuff" has real color and zip to him, swooping in with a cryptic, unappreciated (and doubtless uncomprehended) comment here, or there, then, GONE in a flash! Excellent. The fact that he evangelizes a bit for his belief, for sure, doesn't bother me in-the-least.

You ask, at what point I might inject "religion" into all the fun. Do you REALLY want to know? I won't tell you. It will be a surprise, if and when it happens.

["Information. INFORMATION!. We WANT information!!"]

["You WON'T get it!!!"]

I guess that the fact that great Bessler was greatly God-fearing constitutes an INCIDENTAL IRRITATION for you, and doesn't factor-in at all, as a seeker after his secret? At the risk of over-using my favorite tag line - Are we surprised?

And finally, you keep referring to some "book" which does not yet exist as if it already DID, and now are suggesting that I was soliciting sales for it? You really DO pull reality around like taffy in July, don't you, Ed?.

[Thinking now to myself: WHAT IS THIS? WHO THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE? WHAT ARE THEY? Then comes . . . ahhha!, YES, THAT'S IT! NOW I've got it - - - "Welcome to the asylum :) . . ." quoting OVYYUS from 5/22/05 "Pendulum connecting rod and Journal" Now, here the truth of the matter presents itself! These people ARE INSANE!]

[Now back to my actual, charming self]

So . . . NOW that we have had our practice at mutual destruction, shall we sincerely apologize to one another, bury the hatchet, have a Screwdriver or a beer, and get on with the pursuit after Bessler and his mystery? OR, shall we agree to ignore each another, as I suggested in my last "rant"? Whatever your decision is, good Ralph will be GREATLY RELIEVED. This, I'm sure, everyone can agree on.

CHEERS!

J. M.

[primemignonite]

Dear ovyyus,

Please, it is not at all the way you cast it. Ed must have read the string from the point of my taking it up and saw what I said, and that I did not want to give out Gary's likeness, as well as my promise to you of an article as consolation.

It appeared, as promised, LABORIOUSLY typed out and corrected for YOU, and for others as well, to enjoy. I did a good and careful job, being sorry to not be able to comply with your original request. I felt BAD about not being able to, ovyyus.

THEN APPEARS this HUMUNGO frigging list of links directly after, complete with addressings to me, asking for (or "about") this and that. I was F---ing pi--ed! I am sorry, by he KNEW of the harm and hurt it was bound to cause - "willful" and "knowing" it was on his part.

The guy HAD to know what he was doing and the effect it would have, damn it, and does not, make that WILL NOT, admit it and make amends! This species of human and behavior drives me off the edge. It is a real disease in America. Yes, folks understand force when ordered to do the right thing by cops, judges, and courts, but otherwise, almost all cannot be called for being out of order. This is the new culture of "esteem" built upon NOTHING, this combined with the "victim culture". Throw in a uniform sense of entitlement to instant gratification, for good measure and you have a true witches brew of crazy and lying. It is all barely workable, ovyyus.

Given this circumstance with someone doing the identical TO YOU, would you not be a tad angry, or more maybe? Can you tell me in all honesty that you would not, good ovyys?

I am now being ganged-up-on by three others. Why cannot Ed be left to fend for himself? I can't handle all of you guys. This is like a fist fight with three against ONE!

It THIS the way things are to be rightly done? Respectfully I assert, that it is between ME and HIM, not you all. Does this meet the test of logic, or is it unreasonable?

WHERE is "Techstuff" when I need at least ONE, underdog ally?

I don't mean to be ornery with you, ovyyus, but please, leave this finish to the two of us, will you not?

Thanks, and take care - PAX

James Miller

[Techstuf]

Techstuf, after digesting his meal.....heads off to Borneo to teach the children there how to draw water from wells and build curio cabinets.

[ovyyus]

I don't mean to be ornery with you, ovyyus, but please, leave this finish to the two of us, will you not?

A reasonable request - I will!
So it's pistols at 20 paces, then
I'll stand by with a shovel and chill

[primemignonite]

Now, for you, Jonathan,

FINALLY, after all the second party excoriation, I AM THROWN ONE TINY BONE of consolation: ". . . Now I don't blame you for feeling undermined; . . ." GLORY BE!

Thank you. Now, as to all the rest, with all due respect, Jonathan, it was not I who CAUSED the upset. Things were going along splendidly until Ed did what he did, and NO amount of asserting will convince me that he didn't know that he would be a cause of harm and hurt. Sorry, I just don't buy the proposition.

The truth of the matter is, that this guy got called on a wing-ding, and wants to waltz away without pain to himself. (especially 'guilt") As you no doubt have gathered by now, I am not that kind, that is, to let sh-t slip and slide. Not ever. Treachery, even from the hands of a stranger, gets me Fighting Irish up - believe it. Had I been able to get at him mano a mano, minus his apology or something to make wrong right, there would have been some Besslerian chicken feathers a flyin', I'll tell ya. (Where's he at?)

I suggested to him a way out - but no good, BS comes flying back about "censorship", and other baseless nonsense re my book being already for sale or whatnot. There IS no book for sale, as I am still working on it! Cripes! Also, that bit about throwing in religion referencing "Techstuff" I guess - grasping at staws as defense for the indefensible. Really sad.

Well, you are right about it's not comprising very much if, etc., this gave me a needed laugh - "(or else your book would be awfully short?)" Indeed!

As for the rant charge, I'll side step that one for now. Sure, long-winded and sharp, but what else could possibly bring RIGHT to this mess which HE INITIATED by his intense, willful inconsideration? Honey for him? Judging by what he writes and how, and most of it pinned to cheap, rightious indignation ploys, the honey approach would have fallen dead flat. Besides, that WOULD have been winey.

That's all I can tell you right now, Jonathan. Thanks for the one, little thrown bone.

b/r, James Miller

P.S. Can't any of you friends of this guy just give him a hint that he did wrong, instead of goading him on with his denials? Probably not; too much to hope for. Buddies stick together, right OR wrong these days.

[primemignonite]

[RALPH!]

Dear "techstuf",

There you are! You posted something almost cryptic, I saw it.

Now, finally getting back onto topic: which is your favorite force: conservative or liberal? Personally I prefer Libertarian. There has been much discussion of late about how they all relate to one Wesley Gary and his magnetic reciprocating (or rotating) motor. Have you seen the cuts of it? Nifty stuff for 1878. If one were able to build one and get it "to go of itself", this advent would be about half as interesting as an Orffyrian success. If you do have any interest, scroll back several frames and you will see a really great series of LINKS. By their means you will find out ALL ABOUT certain aspects of the story. They were put there by Ed. I don't know him, do you? A really nice guy, so I hear.

Well, that's it. Glad to be there securely at the bottom of that pole of totems - not too far to fall, if you know what I mean.

Take care down there in Borneo and don't bring back Ebola or Marburgh, it's really nasty stuff.

"May God bless us all, and to all a good night!"

Jimmy

[jim_mich]

I've stayed away from this fracas up till now. I can't see that Ed did any intentional wrong. Primemignonite's (James) rant took my completely by surprise. I had a very hard time understanding why he was upset. In the end I surmised he thought Ed had intentionally set out to harm him in some way when Ed revealed where information could be found. Ed had no idea this would upset James and I can't see why it should upset James.

I think James needs to look within himself at why he got upset. James says that Ed "HAD to know what he was doing and the effect it would have". I disagree with this. I think Ed was just trying to be helpful to the rest of us.

From my 50+ years of observing people I've seen some that use their religion as a means to make themselves feel righteous. In other words they think of themselves as always being right and others are wrong. It never seems to cross their minds that they might be the ones that are wrong.

Just my thoughts.

[Ed]

Well, I didn't want to continue to mess this thread up for Ralph, but I will make one final comment...

As you no doubt have gathered by now, I am not that kind, that is, to let sh-t slip and slide. Not ever. Treachery, even from the hands of a stranger, gets me Fighting Irish up - believe it. Had I been able to get at him mano a mano, minus his apology or something to make wrong right, there would have been some Besslerian chicken feathers a flyin', I'll tell ya. (Where's he at?)

This kind of attitude is one of the big problems with the world today. I post some links to information that has been around freely for years, and, even though I say I did not do it to hurt his book, he wants to fight me because HE is so upset! But it's ok for him to make accusations and discredit me?

That is also typical of this kind of childish attitude. Don't worry about anyone else's feelings... YOU are upset. As long as it's all about YOU then!

Even, for the sake of argument, if I did post those links "just to piss you off"... which I did not... I'm sure it's justified for you to want to fight me unless I apologize to you? What's next? You gonna wanna "blow me away"? Careful there... you never know... I could be a body builder! (and no, I don't have man tats. Bit of a gutt maybe, but definately no man tats :)

You also seem to have lost sight of the larger issue. You thanked Jonathan for the "bone" he's thrown you, but you let slip the fact that he said he wouldn't buy your book (when it's available) either. Is that what you want to achieve by continuing this? Alienate everyone who may have been interested?

People like you are best avoided, once identified. You did a good job of that yourself.

And please, for Ralph's sake, start a new topic if you are going to continue this insane ranting.

-Ed

[Silver Eyes]

I think you guy's are needlessly getting mad at primemignonite, when you should be considering he is a troll. His responses seem out of place and only seem to make sense as one having some laughs. I think.

[Techstuf]

Or maybe it's a strange object lesson in social dynamics.....albeit those of a different order. One where psychic expectations can be indistinguishable from perceived reality.

I think it is plausible that Ed made a convenient patsy for our 'Secret societal' folk to make known to some or one that it is 'unwise' to speak about things outside their 'circle' which run parallel or counter to, their plans and prophecies....known or unknown.

Why else would JM consider Me an ally, with the observations I have made publicly about Freemasonry?

At any rate.....it is heartening to know that JM finds my religious beliefs harmless.....and I hope he was not speaking through the clenched teeth of a crocodile smile......he surely won't mind my asking.....


YAHWEH to richly bless him and his associates in Yahshua, Jesus Christ....

This day.


And as the prophecies contained in the book of the Revelation are fulfilled....carried out in quick succession....it may bring pause to some, for whom such judgements were previously considered wrong or spiteful....that they might align themselves with He who deems it necessary to make such corrections.


Yet this year, the heartland of this nation will see heat and dust cloud such as never before seen....her crops wilting naked, exposed to such energies.

In some areas it will easily surpass the short prophecy found below the vision seen by George Washington found here:

http://associate.com/ministry_files/The ... sion.shtml


As our FATHER swirls His finger across water and land....He pleads with His children to return to Him and turn away from evil.

But alas, it is written that most will hate Him all the more, as for them, darkness has become light......the messengers of God, the harbingers and touchstones of what for them, is perceived as a 'perfect evil'.

Ovyyus spoke earlier of 'not shooting the messenger'.......too bad such courtesy, largely, has gone by the wayside.


I say bless the messengers....for without His generous provision who would stand at all except the stubble of the fields?

[primemignonite]

Esteemed Gentlemen,

Now that we have had our less-than-harmless fun, MAY WE NOW GET BACK ON TOPIC?

There are discoveries to be made . . .

Thank you,

J.M.

REVELATION 13:10

[primemignonite]

RALPH, I try my best, but they just will not let this alone! A veritable back alley fight we have all endured, with me the one bloodied and battered, and now friendless as well, with only one possible semi-ally(?), so, given all that, WHAT AM I TO DO, JUST DIE? There would appear to be no relief from the gangup and their collective dedication to continuing this veritable conspiracy of "justice", turned on it's head. a/b/r - J.M.

Dear Techstuf,

Read your newest post; interesting and insightful, as usual.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen your views on Freemasonry there referenced, I'd like to though. The only reason I brought the subject up before, was because of Bessler's known immersion into it, or at least, into it's mythos and ethos, if not actually "the craft" itself. We know for sure that his father was one, and there is every reason, I think, to expect that our dear Bessler was too, unpalatable a notion as that may be for some. Study of the man and his life and life's work, shouldn't be everything excepting one aspect of which we may have some fear. It's a total package, in toto, Mr. "O's", don't you think?

Otherwise, I too am more than just somewhat concerned as to there being possibly dark motivations and machinations extant, in their more elevated realms. Departing from this particular line of thought, it might be of some utility for us to remember, that in the times of Bessler, Freemasonry was not as yet organized. They put that date as being 1717 at London, I believe; later on the continent. Additionally, until more than three quarters of a century later, the presence of Protestant Christianity was predominant in their lodges. In England of course, it was their recently-minted brand of Catholicism that was in place, and, as we already know, it was only after the infusion of the Weishauptian poison on the continent, and this occurring first in German States, that things began to turn in other directions.

On this point, Techstuf, i sense that there is some concern on your part, so, let me state flat-out, that I am NOT one of their number, nor have I ever been, but, I AM respectful and greatly wary, even fearing, of their capacities and reach. The fact that the BAR, and by extension, the judiciary, is very nearly completely in their grasp, is especially daunting. As is the case with the ever-fascinating Jesuits, one just never knows who is, and who isn't. When navigating in these waters, a prudent word-to-the-wise might be "proceed with due caution, if not trepidation"]

No, "Techstuf", it's more than regarding it as being a thing simply "harmless" as you put it. It is that I regard it as being necessary and inevitable, and further, if I may suggest it, that others might be better persons to NOT resent it so. It should be understood that part of the calling of Christians is to spread the Good Word. The origin of the vituperation ejected at evangelizers probably originates from just plain fear, I think, but as it is with other things (now to be unmentioned) they have the actual truth-of-the-matter in their hearts. Coming to KNOW IT, being quite another thing, correct?

And . . . NO, definitely NOT ". . . through the clenched teeth of a crocodile smile . . .". I'm glad you asked.

Take good care, and

a/b/r, J. M.

REVELATION 13:10

[Jonathan]

>with only one possible semi-ally(?), so, given all that, WHAT AM I TO DO, JUST DIE?<
Cease with the melodrama. Ask yourself this (I don't care to know the answers, BTW): How's work? And your health? And the wife? And the book whose sales are unaffected since it doesn't exist? Your life is fine, there's no need to 'just die' because a few have been trying to set you straight.
As for Techstuf as your ally, you should read more of his posts before counting him as one, he is Besslerwheel's official blasphemer, heretic, and false prophet. (It's true!)

[primemignonite]

Dear Jonathan,

With all respect due you, the little message at the top was for Ralph, not yourself. Why not just leave this to good old Ed and me, like ovyyus is graciously doing.

There's no question that all of you have every right to chime in at-will, but it doesn't help in getting this little disagreement between Ed and me, at least quieted down some.

Excepting for Ed, I've not been aggressive or impolite toward you or anyone else, have I? On the other hand YOU HAVE attacked me, issuing commands to do this, or to do that, and continue to do so, as the post above proves. As I asked Ed at the beginning of my main opus to him, to what purpose was it? Put another way, WHAT do you intend to achieve by it? Could it be to draw me into dispute with yourself? This is a fair and pertinent question. I hope the answer to it is firm 'no'.

Ed was mightily deserving of some excoriation, which he got in full-measure. I do admit that the blister level WAS probably set too high, and I stand at-the-ready to admit to resorting to various other excesses as well, but as I see it, it was HE who drew 'first blood', and so it is HE who will have to take the first step towards correction, of what is now wrong.

So, I ask you now to PLEASE not attack ME in return for by having been perfectly civil to you all along, and which I intend to continue to be. Is this an unfair request to make, Jonathan?

Be well, and

a/b/r, J.M.

[primemignonite]

GENERAL MESSAGE:

To the purpose of adding SOMETHING constructive, is this:

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... highlight=

(I don't know how to point to it from the BW board, so I provided an outside link to it)

I truly hope that this dispute existing between Ed and myself can be allowed to REMAIN between ourselves, without outside "help". One way or another, we'll take care of it, he and I.

a/b/r, J.M. (a/k/a Primemignonite)