Why bother posting?

[rlortie]

jim_mich wrote (edited for brevity)

This wheel must be build to document the assembly steps needed. There are some experienced builders that could build from a single drawing. But some builders may need more detailed pictures. This wheel uses 40 PVC fittings and 35 pieces of pipe that need to be properly assembled and glued. With each joint you have maybe 3 to 5 minutes before the solvent glue sets up. If you get one fitting aligned improperly, you risk scrapping the whole assembly. Thus I'm in the process of documenting the best assembly order to assure a good and proper assembly. An experienced plumber would have no problems. But I want documents whereby even a klutz might be able to build a working wheel.

So where are the documents? All I ever saw was a post saying I did not know anything about how your wheel worked.

[daxwc]

The biggest question for me Jim is why are you playing that implying game and how do you constitute that as not being deceitful or lying? Why are you trying to manipulate the forum members and the situation?

[daxwc]

The only reason I can see why you are trying to manipulate people is you are scared that somebody else will stumble on your concept, but you are too lazy to build it either. You pvc design failed, but you still cling to hope. So you sleuth foot everybody and imply a working wheel as a way of getting some recognition in history or prior art claims in case a working model is discovered by another member. Some signs are evident by what happened to Bill.

Not true... than the real reason is? We are all listening for a sane non-deflecting answer.


P.S. You don’t have to yell we are idiots or bullies either, we all know by now what we are.

[rlortie]

Dax,

I will let Wiki give you my opinion, and I think it deals with Jim's divorce.

An inferiority complex is a lack of self-worth, a doubt and uncertainty, and feelings of not measuring up to standards. It is often subconscious, and is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate, resulting either in spectacular achievement or extreme asocial behavior.[1] The term was coined to indicate a lack of covert self-esteem.[2] For many, it is developed through a combination of genetic personality characteristics and personal experiences.

A secondary inferiority feeling relates to an adult's experience of being unable to reach a subconscious, fictional final goal of subjective security and success to compensate for the inferiority feelings. The perceived distance from that goal would lead to a negative/depressed feeling that could then prompt the recall of the original inferiority feeling; this composite of inferiority feelings could be experienced as overwhelming. The goal invented to relieve the original, primary feeling of inferiority which actually causes the secondary feeling of inferiority is the "catch-22" of this dilemma.[clarification needed] This vicious cycle is common in neurotic lifestyles.

Feeling inferior is often viewed as being inferior to another person, but this is not always the case in the Adlerian view. One often feels incompetent to perform a task, such as a test in school.

[jim_mich]

What is it with you idiots on this forum? Bitching about Step 'A' is to find a solution to Bessler's wheel. versus A] First get something that works!!! . Good grief, they mean the same thing.

Do I need to write a whole paragraph to explain each item of my 'Plan' that need to be accomplished?

The first thing is to find something that works. Something that will produce PM. Some principle. Some concept. Some solution. In other words, find Bessler's principle of perpetual motion. Proof that it works comes in step 'D' and 'E', where the wheel is designed and a proof of principle wheel is built. But initially one needs to find a concept, a principle, a solution.

From that point on, all of the plan needs preparation in no specific order.

I believe I've finished step 'A'. I believe I've found the principle, the concept, the solution. I believe very strongly that I know exactly how Bessler's wheel works. I believe I know how his one-way wheels worked. I believe I know how his two-way wheels worked. I've crunched numbers. I've made animations. I've figured out where the energy comes from. I've designed many different mechanical and also fluid arrangements.

But the catch-22 is that without finishing steps 'D' and 'F', I can't claim step 'A'. Without an actual working physical wheel, there is no proof that step 'A' has been accomplished.

When I don't post any pictures, I'm accused of not building. When I do post limited pictures, then I'm accused of building wheel that I supposedly know don't work. When I post that a wheel failed to work as expected, then my wheel concept is bashed and claimed to be unworkable. So I stop posting about my wheel building. And then I'm accused of lying about my wheels so as to get attention. Then people post wheel concepts that they claim are mine, but that aren't mine and they fraudulently but my name on them. Then I'm accused of lying about building POP wheels. Which accusation is itself a lie.

The biggest question for me Jim is why are you playing that implying game and how do you constitute that as not being deceitful or lying? Why are you trying to manipulate the forum members and the situation?

Obviously you want full disclosure. I can't give you full disclosure without losing intellectual property rights. In the past, I liked being here with others who also seek PM. But since cloud camper started bashing me, you all have turned against me. You lie about me. Then claim I lie. Even when I present facts proving that I'm not the liar, and proving the lies by other people, you still attack me.

And now Daxwc and Ralph are psychoanalyzing me? Good grief.

I'm feed up with the whole shitty bunch of you guys. Regardless of whatever I post, the whole bunch of you simply bash me.
As I wrote at the beginning, the bottom line is: Why should I bother posting anything at all?

[daxwc]

Jim:

And now Daxwc and Ralph are psychoanalyzing me? Good grief.

Somebody needs to, but if I were you I would go see a professional. Why not, that is why God made doctors.

[Furcurequs]

jim_mich,

Neither "First get something that works!!!" nor "find a solution to Bessler's wheel" is the same as "come up with an untested hypothetical idea that I believe will work"! ...even if you "believe" otherwise.

See, this is why you should post, like I said in my first post in this thread. You can actually learn things.

[rlortie]

Are you finally starting to wake up and smell the roses? (I hope)

Step 'A' is to find a solution to Bessler's wheel. versus A] First get something that works!!! . Good grief, they mean the same thing.

First get something that works, forget Bessler, it need not be by his design, and you wont be able to prove one way or the other.

[daxwc]

Jim:

If I say I have a working wheel, then the trolls will claim I don't, because I refuse to disclose it (being that I'm not yet fully prepared) and then the trolls will claim I'm a fraud.

Jim:

But the catch-22 is that without finishing steps 'D' and 'E', I can't claim step 'A'. Without an actual working physical wheel, there is no proof that step 'A' has been accomplished.

Jim you see don’t see any contradictory statements in your following quotes? One month you have a working wheel the next month you don’t.

[Furcurequs]

I think we've finally gotten jim_mich to speak the truth.

"The catch-22 is that you can't claim to have found something that works until you actually have something that works." ...lol

That's only slightly paraphrased, btw.

...well, as you can see:

But the catch-22 is that without finishing steps 'D' and 'E', I can't claim step 'A'. Without an actual working physical wheel, there is no proof that step 'A' has been accomplished.

[daxwc]

Jim:

Obviously you want full disclosure. I can't give you full disclosure without losing intellectual property rights.

No I don’t want anything even wheel related. I want a soul seeking, direct, truthful reason for your manipulating behaviour.

[ovyyus]

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... c&start=45

So instead of your constant uninformed rants and tirades why not just complete your Proof of Concept and prove everybody wrong?

Has it ever crossed your mind than just maybe I have completed a working wheel and that I do know what I'm talking about?

Who is the liar? Case closed?

[Furcurequs]

I think we've finally gotten jim_mich to speak the truth.

"The catch-22 is that you can't claim to have found something that works until you actually have something that works." ...lol

That's only slightly paraphrased, btw.

...well, as you can see:

But the catch-22 is that without finishing steps 'D' and 'E', I can't claim step 'A'. Without an actual working physical wheel, there is no proof that step 'A' has been accomplished.

I thought I better go back and see what steps 'D' and 'E' were again to make sure I paraphrased things correctly, and oh, man! 'E' seems to be the invisible one! What does that mean?

[Ed]

What is it with you idiots on this forum? Bitching about Step 'A' is to find a solution to Bessler's wheel. versus A] First get something that works!!! . Good grief, they mean the same thing.

They don't mean the same thing. Finding a solution doesn't mean that solution was ever tested. Saying something works(!!!) is a clear statement. Now you are trying to rewrite things to accommodate your backpedaling. Also, you have no problem resorting to attacking us by calling us idiots. Who's the bully?

I'm feed up with the whole shitty bunch of you guys. Regardless of whatever I post, the whole bunch of you simply bash me.
As I wrote at the beginning, the bottom line is: Why should I bother posting anything at all?

The feeling is mutual. And now you have an answer to your question. Why bother posting? You shouldn't. We don't want to hear your catch-22 rationalizing rhetoric.

[daxwc]

E. Lie, manipulate, deceive, swindle, steal, and hoodwink all other inventors out their prior art, patent claims or anything legally related to A.


Nah, relax people that was my E. and overall game plan. 8P
I am sure everybody right now has a different E that is why it is blank. What is yours?