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rlortie in effort to make you have to think as little as possible. I will address the issue of an escapement for the release of the trap that keeps the weights from shifting on the bottom left. The Back circle or the circle on the left in stage 1 has a clamp or trap (which keeps it from shifting) that is released while in the second quadrant by some kind of release ramp located to lift its clamp off. I drew it in MS paint by drawing a half circle in the second quadrant in the same previous painting showing the component necessary to make my hypothesizes wheel. WOOT!!
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I don't know the best way to test my hypothesis. At this stage I think that the top right should be locked in place until the top right weights are ready to fall together. So there needs to be a clamp that starts when the weights shift both ways and there needs to be two escapements. So imagine there is a half circle on the bottom right or top right also. Imagine it!!!
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preoccupied,

Your effort to make me think as little as possible is working!

If I turn frame #1 180 degrees, what do I see?
If I turn frame #2 90 degrees clockwise what do I see?
If I leave frame #3 as is, what do I see?
If I turn frame #4 90 degrees counter clockwise what do I see?

Sorry, but dummy me still does not get it!

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If you turn frame #1 180 degrees you will get frame #3. This is because each frame is turned 90 degrees clockwise in the next frame.

If you turn frame #2 90 degrees you get frame #3 because it turns another 90 degrees to be that frame.

If you leave frame #3 as is, you will see NO SHIFTING weights. They are all stuck in place by a clamp of some kind until they reach the starting location at frame #1 They have to pass through frame 3 and 4 and locked in place until released to shift again.

If you turn frame #4 counter clockwise 90 degrees you will see frame 3. Each frame moves 90 degrees.

There are two positions away from the lever or into the lever that the clamp needs to hold the weight until the top left and top right combination or the top right and bottom right combination are available to shift the weights. The bottom right and bottom left combination is locked in place and the bottom left and top left combination is locked in place by a clamp. Also as the top left and top right combination head towards the top right bottom right combination that should be locked in place also until the weight on the top right reaches near horizontal position to give it maximum leverage. Since, it's the extra leverage that gives MORE force to the change in direction that will test my shifting weights hypothesis. My hypothesis is that thrust is produced by shifting weights with greater forced in a new direction. I think that gravity is created by this happening on many small molecular levels and that when things increase their speeds they will have greater gravity because of this trait.

Note: This component needs to be installed four times, making eight weights total for the wheel.

Would you like me to draw 45 degree angle MS painting? I think the 90 degree one's are exactly what should be shown because everything in 45 degree positions are locked in place.
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rlortie rlortie rlortie rlortie

My gif images are always fuzzy. WTF?

In this MS painting the positions are all synchronized and even. There is a belt that moves with the green levers attached to the circles. The circles are pushed on (like a gear) that moves the axle, that then the axle moves the lever and the weight. The hypothesis says that I need the axle to be moved directly from the axle in order for the force to apply its movement on the swastika. If the levers were attached to the levers I think it might not work as intended. The circles are therefore necessary to move the weights and have the force applied to the axle of the lever on the tip swastika arms. Know what I mean? I think this drawing is rather complete. I don't know the best way to test my hypothesis but I think that this method might work to at least test it to show if motion without external force can take gravitation and steal it, slowing down the planet and using the loss of planetary speed to do physical work (if so not recommended use for free energy or energy use in general.) I think my hypothesis is correct. I bet Harry Potter's knuts that I'm right.

EDIT 45 degree positions are locked in place. The 90 degree positions shown can shift weights on the top left bottom right and top right. This is because they lock after finishing shifting in a direction. They must wait to shift again until the weights at the top right have a horizontal lever for maximum leverage to shift the weights using gravity. I'm reiterating previous posts for this post in this edit.
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Preoccupied

On our last exchange you said that although I dismissed your dumb bell idea, I didn't give a good enough reason.

So as you are now going into more depth here, I thought that I'd try to work out the basic set up shown above.

Although I have re-read your descriptions several times and looked at your diagrams, I have no clue what your describing.

Can we go through this step by step.

In principle do we have x2 opposing levered weights that are interlinked ? If we do, just forget about multiple pairings there of for the moment.

Or is it the case that we require 4 weights, one to each leg of the swastika, and the interconnection flows from one weight to the next, and to the next etc ?

What do you think that coupling brings to the table ?

Also, we know that the actual individual weight drops wont induce continuous OB, so what is driving or turning the framework ?

Are you attempting to redirect levered force to the support frame via the cables

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triplock wrote: Preoccupied

On our last exchange you said that although I dismissed your dumb bell idea, I didn't give a good enough reason.

So as you are now going into more depth here, I thought that I'd try to work out the basic set up shown above.

Although I have re-read your descriptions several times and looked at your diagrams, I have no clue what your describing.

Can we go through this step by step.

In principle do we have x2 opposing levered weights that are interlinked ? If we do, just forget about multiple pairings there of for the moment.

Or is it the case that we require 4 weights, one to each leg of the swastika, and the interconnection flows from one weight to the next, and to the next etc ?

What do you think that coupling brings to the table ?

Also, we know that the actual individual weight drops wont induce continuous OB, so what is driving or turning the framework ?

Are you attempting to redirect levered force to the support frame via the cables

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Your questions:
Or is it the case that we require 4 weights, one to each leg of the swastika, and the interconnection flows from one weight to the next, and to the next etc ?
The swastika has 2 levered weights at each of the four corners. The levered weights are connected to another levered weight by their axles.

What do you think that coupling brings to the table ?


On the first quadrant (top right) when the levered weight's lever is about horizontal it has great mechanical advantage on the shifting weights in the second (top left) and fourth quadrants (bottom right). The hypothesis is if the weights that are in motion change direction with greater force they product lift toward the original direction. The leverage is that greater force and also the faster moving force of gravity pulling it down. Gravity is pulling down faster because the counter torque of the OB in the direction the wheel is not turning is slowing the wheel down continually. The driving force that turns the wheel is not torque create by the downward force of gravity against a lever but instead the torque created by pushing against the direction of the wheel's inertia. My hypothesis thinks that when that when the clockwise inertia is challenged by torque shifting against it by the shifting pair that the wheel shifts extra distance by means of motion without external force. The direction the motion without external force is going to push the weighted lever is towards the original direction even though the force being applied is the opposite of that. Literally I believe that the force given to challenge the inertia is added to motion in its opposite direction because the weight is not changing its position in space but rather space itself is shifting.

The method in which I am shifting the pairs might be unconventional because I have not really don't much in this area of design before. I don't know the best way to test my hypothesis. In my MS painting I show that maybe (I'm not sure) that the weights could just be directly connected to each other by a single belt around their axles.

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My F'n belt MS painting moves the weights in the wrong direction. They are supposed to be moving together. The MS painting that I just shared here moves it in the opposite direction intended. They are moving opposite that is not correct. I'm sorry. I do not know the best way to test my hypothesis.
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When you show the pink and green weights above, are these seperate weights, or single weights showing alternate positions. ?

You also say the levers are connected to a lever which has a third weight. Where is this third weight located ? In the spoke arms ?
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triplock,

There are two weighted levers on each corner of the swastika where the axle is like located at the corner and like the lever is swinging from that corner (see MS paintings).

Nothing in pink is actually there. Pink is where things used to be. Nothing in real life is pink for me. I'm a man Man! If I were a lady then pink would be everywhere but pink does not exist for me. It is invisible, in the past, for a woman, on women. Women have pink, not I?

The weights work in pairs in that they shift each other from the first quadrant (top right) when gravity pulls down on a horizontally placed lever (the weights shift in the other positions on a vertical lever, thus the mechanical advantage). The weights are also located next to each other in pairs and on the third quadrant (bottom left) are placed together and do not shift their positions because they are clamped in place. The weights must act in pairs and come to be placed together so that the first quadrant can shift the weights using a horizontal weighted lever shifting a vertical lever in another quadrant. I am not sure how to word this any better without quoting Bessler Himself, as these are probably the components Bessler was referring to if my kinetic energy hypothesis is correct. Ladies like Pink, I like pink on ladies, but pink means nothing to me. I have one nice pink shirt, I wear it all of the time but it is a favorite red shirt that faded. Pink is invisible to me. Massive business ideas are flowing through my mind. I want to be a billionaire so f'n bad. It's really super hot in the house right now. I'm sweating my perpetual motion machine off here.

First I get the monies, then I get the endless lines of women asking for my perpetual motion machine. It works ladies, I promise you, my perpetual motion machine is functional. Try it.

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preocuppied,

Chis and I are part of a team, you must sell him on your idea and then if he finds it viable, he will present it to me. I am the builder, Chris is the front runner!

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Chris is asking specific questions and I think he will get to the bottom of this. I certainly would appreciate a build since I have clumsy hands. I can't build very good and have no aptitude for it. It could be because of the concussions. You would be testing my hypothesis, and would be looking for this invisible force that nobody has noticed, unless I am right and they notice it and are not describing it correctly such as I believe is happening when a Cambridge University team invents a "Mould Effect" for the chain fountain which I disagree with and think is motion without external force instead.
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triplock wrote:When you show the pink and green weights above, are these seperate weights, or single weights showing alternate positions. ?

You also say the levers are connected to a lever which has a third weight. Where is this third weight located ? In the spoke arms ?
Now that I reread what you said I think you are referring to the lever that is attached to the belt in the center between the two gears. The lever is attached to the gear and the belt and when the weights shift they move the same distance on the belt and move the same distance on the gear. I don't know the best way to test my hypothesis. I would shift the weights between 22.5 degrees and 45 degrees on the belt. The gear itself could be shaped as a 45 or 22.5 degree of a circle or whatever. Know what I mean? The gear is basically a lever that moves only about 45 degrees in both directions. That is what those circles are. I believe according to my dumbbell experiment that the axle needs to take the new force created and if something is attached to the weighted lever and is applying force to it that it might take from the force meant for the axle. The axle is like the shoulders in the dumbbell experiment.

Well, you know, rlortie or Chris that all of your builds will have a Reason to exist and that the reason might not necessarily exist in reality unless tested with a build first, otherwise everybody would be doing it. It's entirely unobvious if it works.
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preoccupied,

Before a builder can build something, he must be able to read the blueprints and understand what it is he is supposed to build. I cannot reach into your mind and pull out a three dimensional hologram of your idea, nor can I understand your drawings and descriptive wording.

Work with Chris on this! If you have something, I would hate to see it tossed aside simply because it is not understood.

I have other duties to perform, such as finding out what type glue or adhesive do I use to weld CPVC pipe to UHMW plastic.

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Preoccupied,

Ok. First of all the swastika frame has absolutely no relevance. As you have four corners, the support frame could be a circle, a square or an octagon.

So take that out of the discussion.

Whenever we look for a mechanical advantage that a designer perceives to be there , it is essential that any concept is trimmed down to its bare essentials.

So we can remove all duplicated mechs.- If one mech doesn't create self supporting rotation / movement then any number above that won't either.

We are left with just two weighted levers either end of a common balance beam. Those two levers are connected to each other by a belted pulley system. You could use rope, chain, wire, gears, push rods - it matters not.

One lever is vertical. One is horizontal. As you state, the horizontal lever will pull the vertical lever over slightly.

Result:

The balance beam will flip over where it will stay, like a tortoise on its back.

There is nothing there Preoccupied to create / induce a reset. The PE tank has been emptied. The parrot has fallen off it's perch.

as I said, any increase in the number of pairs will make no difference to the outcome.

Elvis has left the building I'm afraid

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Hi Ralph ,

If the PVC can go over the UHMW plastic , you can easy fit it over , pre heat in hot water , and wind a piece of fishing gut over the joint , it will make a water tight joint that is very sturdy and rigid , roughen up the UHMW plastic first with 80 grid sanding paper . The UHMW plastic is as far as I know a paraffin based plastic and not able to be glued or welded ( heat weld ) to any other plastic like PVC or NYLON or HDPE or POLYPROP .
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triplock wrote:Preoccupied,

Ok. First of all the swastika frame has absolutely no relevance. As you have four corners, the support frame could be a circle, a square or an octagon.

So take that out of the discussion.

Whenever we look for a mechanical advantage that a designer perceives to be there , it is essential that any concept is trimmed down to its bare essentials.

So we can remove all duplicated mechs.- If one mech doesn't create self supporting rotation / movement then any number above that won't either.

We are left with just two weighted levers either end of a common balance beam. Those two levers are connected to each other by a belted pulley system. You could use rope, chain, wire, gears, push rods - it matters not.

One lever is vertical. One is horizontal. As you state, the horizontal lever will pull the vertical lever over slightly.

Result:

The balance beam will flip over where it will stay, like a tortoise on its back.

There is nothing there Preoccupied to create / induce a reset. The PE tank has been emptied. The parrot has fallen off it's perch.

as I said, any increase in the number of pairs will make no difference to the outcome.

Elvis has left the building I'm afraid

Chris
My hypothesis is if anything changes direction it produces gravity. Space shifts with forces. When a weight changes to the opposite direction with greater force, the original direction has an artificial lift because of this. This is a hypothesis. If you wish to restrain your attempts to discover perpetual motion to your classical physics then you will never attempt to test my wheel, and will quote endless reasons why not to do it. That is because the only reason to even try to test this is if you want to test my hypothesis or not. The only reason to test this is to test my hypothesis. What you are behaving as? Like an amateur copywriter inspector screening? This is science! Man. You got to play with the hypothesizes.
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