Mayday! Mayday!!!

[cheors]

Please Sebastian, you may start thinking another way.
The Water screw, the bucket were optional loads.
The stampers seemed to be always connected: 3 for Draschwitz wheel, 4 Merseburg, 2 Weissenstein.
For Gera we don't know.



Look at MT80 : don't you see a stamper B lifted by 2 cams each turn of the wheel A.?
The stamper B compresses on bellows when it falls down.with C and D.
Notice the wave E suggesting speed.
Water is pushed up (F , G) and falls on the rim and the fins H.
No idea of speed regulation here but a tentative of looping the system.

Best regards from France.

[raj]

Cher Cheors,

Soyez the bienvenu au besslerwheel.com.

Path_Finder qui Je mentione souvent, est lui ausi de la France.

Il est un ami vituel que j'apprecie beaucoup, surtout pour son contribution enorme ici.

Un ami de l'ile Maurice.

Raj

[Blitzbrain]

Hello ovyyus,

True, true... I forgot to think about the first wheel.
But i believe that with that wheel, he must have had some kind of velovity regulation too.

Maybe the stamps also were implemented from Bessler to hide the actual running noises.
Bessler was very keeen on letting nobody find out about his secret.

He could not disconnect the stamps from the Weissenstein wheel.

And of course... he was a litte show off too...

But I also think they were regulators.
Imagine an overbalanced wheel with no ¨work¨ doing... what will happen?
Theoretically the wheel would accelerate permanently which would also lead to lightspeed if no material fail would occur. Besslerswheel was strong... (~55 watts) did you try to stop a 55 watt drill by hand? That is lots of work to do...

So he had the energy to work the stamps and to keep the wheel in steady rotation and he had spare energy to lift his Box or to work the pump etc.....

But he must have built something in, so that in idle mode of the wheel, it would not accelerate too much...

Kind regards from Germany...


Sebastian

[Blitzbrain]

Hello Cheors,
Maybe true, but the atampers in MT80 have a different function.
They actually are involved in the complete system an provide the energy for the pumping.

In the final wheel, they were only lifted and did not have any other connection.

As far as my limited perception allows my brain to think...

Kind regards from Germany

Sebastian

[cheors]

Hello Sebastian, and all

I don't believe that the principal goal of Bessler was to pump water.

I listed at least 42 drawings with cogs, fins, or places on the rim of the wheel where air, water, spheres or mechanical pieces are supposed to give a boost. Too many to be due to chance.
See MT28, 29, 44 to 52, 56 to 59, 61, 62, 76 to 85, 91 to 108, 117, ...

See also Bessler's note with MT28 drawing:
"Thus the thrust upon the edge of the wheel should be much stronger than the force which the arms on the axle require".
For me it is exactly the main function of the stamps.

And MT29 comment:
"At this point one should be able judge what to do with this thing or what to make of it."
So there is something to make with that !!

Best regards

@Raj:
Merci pour cet accueil. J'aimerais bien faire un voyage à l'ile Maurice un jour.

[ovyyus]

He could not disconnect the stamps from the Weissenstein wheel.

Not true. All loads were optionally connected to the wheel, including the stampers.

The Weissenstein (Kassel) wheel was Bessler's largest (and last) exhibited wheel. It operated at 26 RPM unloaded and 20 RPM when connected to the water screw load.

www.orffyre.com/measurements.html

[cheors]

I tried to simulate how i see MT55 potential energy transfer from stampers.

http://youtu.be/zLWDWrwNtmg

@ovyyus:Please remind me where the disconnection of the stampers is specified . Thanks

[ovyyus]

Please remind me where the disconnection of the stampers is specified.

...It is a wheel which is twelve feet in diameter, covered with an oil-cloth. At every turn of the wheel can be heard the sound of about eight weights, which fall gently on the side towards which the wheel turns. This wheel turns with astonishing rapidity, making twenty-six turns in a minute, when the axle works unrestricted. Having tied a cord to the axle, to turn an archimedean screw for raising water, the wheel then made twenty turns a minute. This I noted several times by my watch, and I always found the same regularity...

www.orffyre.com/quotes.html

[Blitzbrain]

I tried to simulate how i see MT55 potential energy transfer from stampers.

http://youtu.be/zLWDWrwNtmg

@ovyyus:Please remind me where the disconnection of the stampers is specified . Thanks

Hello Cheors,

Interesting simulation... Will you be able to build it?
With 'being able' I meant finding time and materials to build it...

Everything proves itself in building a model... all theoretical thinking aims to that...

@oyyus:Yes, I'd like to know that too... the Weissenstein drawing shows the wheel directly connected on the shaft that drives the stampers... as far as I can see...

Kind regards from Germany

Blitz

[cheors]

For now, i am just playing with a simulator software :

http://youtu.be/sr-5LlJM1ik

[Blitzbrain]

Hi Cheors,

Looks interesting.. where is the Torque meter on this setup applicated?
Do you "add" the torque or do you get it from the system...?

A simulator software can easily trick you out and sometimes you can "tweak" it this way, that it gives you the right result.

I stopped simulating... the "real thing" is a model... This is where you can see, wether your idea works... and mostly it doesn't.. unfortunately...

[cheors]

The torque is applied to the axle.

I don't intend to prove anything. i know that simulation is not the real life.
But it can help to visualize ideas.


Best regards

[Blitzbrain]

Hello Cheors,
sorry to answer so late but as I read through the testimonials given from the observations of the wheel,mthere was one thought, that is against the idea of the stampers as part of the mechanism...

the wheel could work in both directions.

If you read especially the last qoute from s'Gravesande it is obvious, that the wheel hat no outer force or mechanism except gravity to run.

http://www.besslerwheel.com/accounts.html

[Fcdriver]

Why would anybody think the stompers where not attached but only to the weights, and not the wheel? The stompers move the weights other than how they would move free falling. It's the timing of the pendulum/stompers moving the weights, which moves the wheel

[cheors]

Stampers were perhaps not mandatory, but in this case why buid several of them : 3 for Draschwitz, 4, Merseburg, 2 Weissenstein ?
If they were only for power demonstrationw why complicate the mechanism ? and multiply the risks of failure?
- the box under the stampers is referenced as numbre 5 in the 2 drawings of Merseburg wheel.
5 is hard to read or even misssing for the second drawing. We know importance of 5 or 55 for Bessler.
http://www.theorffyreuscode.com/html/dr ... mbers.html
- Legend says in latin "Pilis et pistiliis ... subserviens" that means subsystem or asservisement.
More than a simple box Isn't it ?
- If you measure the course of the stampers on the drawings you can see that they can't hit nor touch the bottom of the box. They can't crush anything.
- Why the box has legs and does not lay on floor ? not logical, and a potential big problem for the solidity of the structure if it is only a grinding machine.
The end of the stampers are rounded. Not very useful to break materials but convenient for applying all the force to a small point.

Why MT55 is so important ?
55 is 5 and 5 !!
It is the first drawing without comment.
It is the last of a group talking about mechanical parts.
(MT50 uses spheres, MT56 uses air and bellows)
The last one of a group is meaningful. (verified)
It is one of more than 40 drawings where action is taken NEAR the axle and released FAR from it.