HELLO JONATHAN
THANKS , BUT YOU STILL DID NOT SAY HOW WOULD BE REFLECTED THE TORQUE WITH SPEED INCREASE!?...( AT FLYWHEEL)
COULD YOU TROW QUICK STATEMENT IN HERE, ABOUT IT?...
PLEASE..
REGARDS,
ZORAN
It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Here is my version of your wind turbine.
Start by tunneling into a hill side until you reach the center of hill summit. Then tunnel straight up or down from the top.
In the center of the vertical shaft install a vertical turbine in a venturi.
At the top of the vertical tunnel add some hight to be above ground level. Then install above this an upside down saucer of typical airplane wing design. This will act as another venturi creating a draft up the shaft. The same properties that make an airplane fly only turned over to create lift on bottom.
The upside down wing being circular in design does not have to move with the wind and is the only exposed part of the complete generator.
The taller the hill, meaning longer vertical shaft will create more draft velocity and inertial volume of moving air mass. The turbine is protected from the elements and is less prone to resonant wind chatter.
Ralph
Start by tunneling into a hill side until you reach the center of hill summit. Then tunnel straight up or down from the top.
In the center of the vertical shaft install a vertical turbine in a venturi.
At the top of the vertical tunnel add some hight to be above ground level. Then install above this an upside down saucer of typical airplane wing design. This will act as another venturi creating a draft up the shaft. The same properties that make an airplane fly only turned over to create lift on bottom.
The upside down wing being circular in design does not have to move with the wind and is the only exposed part of the complete generator.
The taller the hill, meaning longer vertical shaft will create more draft velocity and inertial volume of moving air mass. The turbine is protected from the elements and is less prone to resonant wind chatter.
Ralph
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
HI RALPH!
I HOPED TO HER FROM YOU!...
I THINK YOUR PROPOSAL IS BRILLIANT AS MOST OF TIME, YOU ALWAYS HAVE ONE "UP THE SLEEVE".
OF COURSE AT THIS POINT AND TIME, I WONT BE DIGGING MUCH!
FOR I, LIKE YOU HAVE HAD HART PROBLEMS(TRIPLE BYPASS) AND I FELL JUST AS YOU STATED IN ONE OF YOURS POSTS
" MAYBE GOD WANTS ME TO MAKE SUCH CONTRIBUTION"
ANYHOW I AM LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU DID NOT GIVE ME COMMENT ON FLYWHEEL AND IT MASSES PRODUCING SOME TORQUE( SUPERIOR TO LIGHT MASSLESS BLADES) IN LOW WIND AREAS( UNDER 10 MPH.)
STAY WELL MY FRIEND
I HOPED TO HER FROM YOU!...
I THINK YOUR PROPOSAL IS BRILLIANT AS MOST OF TIME, YOU ALWAYS HAVE ONE "UP THE SLEEVE".
OF COURSE AT THIS POINT AND TIME, I WONT BE DIGGING MUCH!
FOR I, LIKE YOU HAVE HAD HART PROBLEMS(TRIPLE BYPASS) AND I FELL JUST AS YOU STATED IN ONE OF YOURS POSTS
" MAYBE GOD WANTS ME TO MAKE SUCH CONTRIBUTION"
ANYHOW I AM LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU DID NOT GIVE ME COMMENT ON FLYWHEEL AND IT MASSES PRODUCING SOME TORQUE( SUPERIOR TO LIGHT MASSLESS BLADES) IN LOW WIND AREAS( UNDER 10 MPH.)
STAY WELL MY FRIEND
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
underdog,
Idid not give any input to your- "ANYHOW I AM LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU DID NOT GIVE ME COMMENT ON FLYWHEEL AND IT MASSES PRODUCING SOME TORQUE( SUPERIOR TO LIGHT MASSLESS BLADES) IN LOW WIND AREAS( UNDER 10 MPH.)"
Reason is that I do not understand exactly what you are after. first the larger the mass of a flywheel will obviously carry more inertial energy once that same energy is used to get the rpm's up to speed.
As for windmill blades, it is more favorable to be of light construction with a torque converter connection to your heavy flywheel. Home builts often use an automatic car transmission for this purpose.
As for a weight becoming weightless at its apex, where is the apex on a radius wheel?
Ralph
Idid not give any input to your- "ANYHOW I AM LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU DID NOT GIVE ME COMMENT ON FLYWHEEL AND IT MASSES PRODUCING SOME TORQUE( SUPERIOR TO LIGHT MASSLESS BLADES) IN LOW WIND AREAS( UNDER 10 MPH.)"
Reason is that I do not understand exactly what you are after. first the larger the mass of a flywheel will obviously carry more inertial energy once that same energy is used to get the rpm's up to speed.
As for windmill blades, it is more favorable to be of light construction with a torque converter connection to your heavy flywheel. Home builts often use an automatic car transmission for this purpose.
As for a weight becoming weightless at its apex, where is the apex on a radius wheel?
Ralph
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Zoran...
Glad you liked the illustration of the wind turbine device. I did not, however, get it from anywhere but my own mind with the assistance of your post. Actually, once YOU gave me the idea, I simply used the "Paint" program that came with my Windows XP browser to turn it into something more visual. It took about 15 minutes to execute. YOU might like to try using Paint to post some of your other ideas on these Forums so others can better understand them.
If you are using one of the more recent MS browsers, then simply Click Start>All Programs>Accessories>Paint and you will have the Paint workspace in front of you and ready for use. It's really VERY easy to use and, in about a half hour, I was making fairly interesting diagrams when I started with it.
After you complete a sketch on Paint, click File>Save As... and the SAVE AS pop up window will appear. In the Save As: field you select the folder that you want to put the sketch's image file into. Next, at the File Name: field of the SAVE AS pop up window you name you image. And, finally, at the very bottom click the drop down menu of the Save as type: field to pick the type of file to save the sketch as.
VERY IMPORTANT: this discussion board, I think, limits members to no more than 250 kb per post, so you should select a sketch image file type like JPEG or GIF because these are far more compact than the BMP files that the Paint program generates by default. Anyway, if you try it, then I think you will like it. Oh, in the event that your PC's browser does not have Paint in it, then you can probably go to Google and find a free download of it somewhere on the internet...Good luck!
Ralph...
Since I'm interested in UFOs and free energy, your idea for a "wind tunnel" also triggered my imagination. Attached below you will find a quick Paint sketch I did of the "Lortie Wind Energy Tower"!
I think these would look a lot more "natural" than our present eyesore wind "farms". With a little weather resistant paint, we could make a farm of Lortie wind energy towers look like a giant field of MUSHROOMS! The nice thing about your concept, like the one I did for Zoran, is that it should work no matter what direction the wind is blowing in...
ken
Glad you liked the illustration of the wind turbine device. I did not, however, get it from anywhere but my own mind with the assistance of your post. Actually, once YOU gave me the idea, I simply used the "Paint" program that came with my Windows XP browser to turn it into something more visual. It took about 15 minutes to execute. YOU might like to try using Paint to post some of your other ideas on these Forums so others can better understand them.
If you are using one of the more recent MS browsers, then simply Click Start>All Programs>Accessories>Paint and you will have the Paint workspace in front of you and ready for use. It's really VERY easy to use and, in about a half hour, I was making fairly interesting diagrams when I started with it.
After you complete a sketch on Paint, click File>Save As... and the SAVE AS pop up window will appear. In the Save As: field you select the folder that you want to put the sketch's image file into. Next, at the File Name: field of the SAVE AS pop up window you name you image. And, finally, at the very bottom click the drop down menu of the Save as type: field to pick the type of file to save the sketch as.
VERY IMPORTANT: this discussion board, I think, limits members to no more than 250 kb per post, so you should select a sketch image file type like JPEG or GIF because these are far more compact than the BMP files that the Paint program generates by default. Anyway, if you try it, then I think you will like it. Oh, in the event that your PC's browser does not have Paint in it, then you can probably go to Google and find a free download of it somewhere on the internet...Good luck!
Ralph...
Since I'm interested in UFOs and free energy, your idea for a "wind tunnel" also triggered my imagination. Attached below you will find a quick Paint sketch I did of the "Lortie Wind Energy Tower"!
I think these would look a lot more "natural" than our present eyesore wind "farms". With a little weather resistant paint, we could make a farm of Lortie wind energy towers look like a giant field of MUSHROOMS! The nice thing about your concept, like the one I did for Zoran, is that it should work no matter what direction the wind is blowing in...
ken
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- Gee...now that we can be building these...why waste time trying to achieve PM?
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
THANKS ONCE MORE MR. KEN
AFTER SUCH KIND AND BROKEN DOWN, STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS I FELT BASICALLY OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW IT!!!....
AND I ALMOST HAD FAN WITH IT!!!...
ALSO I DONÂ’TAÂ’ WANT TO BE EXPLAINING AFTER THIS NO MORE WHAT I MEAN!!!...NOR DIG ANY TUNNELS OR TRENCHES!!!....
I HAVE LAY OUT SIMPLE IDEA IN MY PREVIOUS POST
AND IT WOS NOT BIG HIT WITH FORUM BROTHERHOOD!!??..........
I WILL ADD ONLY THIS:
FLYWHEEL WOULD STORAGE SOME OF ENERGY PRODUCED BY WIND BURSTS, THAT IS ANOTHERWISE MOSTLY LOST!!!!....
I REST MY CASE!!...
AFTER SUCH KIND AND BROKEN DOWN, STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS I FELT BASICALLY OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW IT!!!....
AND I ALMOST HAD FAN WITH IT!!!...
ALSO I DONÂ’TAÂ’ WANT TO BE EXPLAINING AFTER THIS NO MORE WHAT I MEAN!!!...NOR DIG ANY TUNNELS OR TRENCHES!!!....
I HAVE LAY OUT SIMPLE IDEA IN MY PREVIOUS POST
AND IT WOS NOT BIG HIT WITH FORUM BROTHERHOOD!!??..........
I WILL ADD ONLY THIS:
FLYWHEEL WOULD STORAGE SOME OF ENERGY PRODUCED BY WIND BURSTS, THAT IS ANOTHERWISE MOSTLY LOST!!!!....
I REST MY CASE!!...
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WOW... That's INCREDIBLE for a first try with Paint, Zoran. I think you have definite NATURAL artistic talent!
See...it was easy after all! Now, whenever, you have an idea to share, you can make a quick Paint sketch of it for us to enjoy.
Your sketch reminds me of those gadgets used to measure wind speed...no reason why a larger version could not be used to rev up a heavy metal ring that could then power a generator!
ken
See...it was easy after all! Now, whenever, you have an idea to share, you can make a quick Paint sketch of it for us to enjoy.
Your sketch reminds me of those gadgets used to measure wind speed...no reason why a larger version could not be used to rev up a heavy metal ring that could then power a generator!
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
THANKS!
I COULD HAVE BEEN CONTENDER!!??....
AT SECOND THOUGHT I REALLY LIKE YOUR AND RALPHS IDEA, OF
INVERTED PLANE WING THAT CREATE VENTURI SUCTION!..
ALSO AT SECOND LOOK I FIND YOUR ILLUSTRATION SUPERB!!!...
YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAILS IS REMARKABLE !!..
I HAVE ALSO ENJOY GREATLY YOUR POST OF BESSLER REVELATION OF HIS WHEEL TO CARL!!... YOUR ANALYSIS AND IMAGINATION WAS SUPERIOR AND MOST REALISTIC
GREAT ANALYTICAL MIND OF YOURS!! I AM SURPRISE THAT YOU DID NOT BUSTED BESSLER RIDDLE YET!!???....
AND ONE MORE THING !:
THAT SNIPER IN YOUR DREAM BOTHERS ME!!...
THERE WERE NO SNIPER AT THAT POINT... THERE IS SOME HIDDEN MEANING IN IT!!!
I COULD HAVE BEEN CONTENDER!!??....
AT SECOND THOUGHT I REALLY LIKE YOUR AND RALPHS IDEA, OF
INVERTED PLANE WING THAT CREATE VENTURI SUCTION!..
ALSO AT SECOND LOOK I FIND YOUR ILLUSTRATION SUPERB!!!...
YOUR ATTENTION TO DETAILS IS REMARKABLE !!..
I HAVE ALSO ENJOY GREATLY YOUR POST OF BESSLER REVELATION OF HIS WHEEL TO CARL!!... YOUR ANALYSIS AND IMAGINATION WAS SUPERIOR AND MOST REALISTIC
GREAT ANALYTICAL MIND OF YOURS!! I AM SURPRISE THAT YOU DID NOT BUSTED BESSLER RIDDLE YET!!???....
AND ONE MORE THING !:
THAT SNIPER IN YOUR DREAM BOTHERS ME!!...
THERE WERE NO SNIPER AT THAT POINT... THERE IS SOME HIDDEN MEANING IN IT!!!
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Ken and underdog,
Apparently, once again my low clerical aptitude has lead to a misunderstanding in my descriptive wording.
Ken you did a great job drawing my turbine design except we have one problem. That being the saucer wing at the top is not upside down as I attempted to explain. Although your picture will work , research has shown that my idea creates a more efficient draft. The saucer is stationary and irrelevant to wind direction, it also does not have a hole in its center.
Underdog,
You did a great job on your first paint job. The present computer I am using does not have it so will take Ken's advise and do a search for it.
Regarding your half circle cup blade design, research will show that any more than 4 blades will impede one another by wake or disturbed air by preceding blade. If more blades are desired I suggest stacking more four blade wheels together at different vectors. Yahoo.com offers a number of forums dedicated to windmill designs and construction. The first one I remember resembling yours was constructed from 55 gallon drums cut in half.
Ralph
Apparently, once again my low clerical aptitude has lead to a misunderstanding in my descriptive wording.
Ken you did a great job drawing my turbine design except we have one problem. That being the saucer wing at the top is not upside down as I attempted to explain. Although your picture will work , research has shown that my idea creates a more efficient draft. The saucer is stationary and irrelevant to wind direction, it also does not have a hole in its center.
Underdog,
You did a great job on your first paint job. The present computer I am using does not have it so will take Ken's advise and do a search for it.
Regarding your half circle cup blade design, research will show that any more than 4 blades will impede one another by wake or disturbed air by preceding blade. If more blades are desired I suggest stacking more four blade wheels together at different vectors. Yahoo.com offers a number of forums dedicated to windmill designs and construction. The first one I remember resembling yours was constructed from 55 gallon drums cut in half.
Ralph
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RALPH~..
YOU ARE JUST TO HUMBLE!....
THANKS FOR CLARIFICATIONS ON WING UPSIDE DOWN AND CUP BLADES!..
I FIND THOSE AS VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION
( THEY WERE NOT MY FIRST CHOICE ,BUT EASYEST TO DRAW)
ACTUALLY MY "MAIN POINT"WAS A FLYWHEEL INCORPORATION!!??......
YES I AM AWARE OF OIL DRUM AND ALIKE ,VERTICAL SHAFT WINDMILL DESIGNS..
THEY GOT MORE TORQUE, THEN HORIZONTAL AXIS, AND START IN SLOWER WINDS!....
SOOO..., MY FLYWHEEL WAS MEANT FOR HORIZONTAL SHAFT IN ORDER TO REMEDY THIS ,AND SO ON AND SO ON !!.. MY TONGUE IS GETTING TIED
KEN , YOU GOT TO GIVE IT TO PALPH BACK HIS SAUCER!?..
(JUST KIDDING!!
YOU BOTH STAY WELL!!
Apparently, once again my low clerical aptitude has lead to a misunderstanding in my descriptive wording.
YOU ARE JUST TO HUMBLE!....
THANKS FOR CLARIFICATIONS ON WING UPSIDE DOWN AND CUP BLADES!..
I FIND THOSE AS VERY VALUABLE INFORMATION
( THEY WERE NOT MY FIRST CHOICE ,BUT EASYEST TO DRAW)
ACTUALLY MY "MAIN POINT"WAS A FLYWHEEL INCORPORATION!!??......
YES I AM AWARE OF OIL DRUM AND ALIKE ,VERTICAL SHAFT WINDMILL DESIGNS..
THEY GOT MORE TORQUE, THEN HORIZONTAL AXIS, AND START IN SLOWER WINDS!....
SOOO..., MY FLYWHEEL WAS MEANT FOR HORIZONTAL SHAFT IN ORDER TO REMEDY THIS ,AND SO ON AND SO ON !!.. MY TONGUE IS GETTING TIED
KEN , YOU GOT TO GIVE IT TO PALPH BACK HIS SAUCER!?..
(JUST KIDDING!!
YOU BOTH STAY WELL!!
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
ACTUALLY AFTER I THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE, THERE IS A SIMPLE REMEDY FOR CUPS BLADES NOT TO GET IN THE WAY OF EACH ANOTHER!!....
INSTALL THEM IN DEFERENT ORBITAL PATHS!.. LIKE ONE IN MIDDLE, ONE ON THE RIGHT ONE IN THE LEFT AND SO ON!!!...
ALSO AT DEFERENT RADIUSES!!!.....
IT IS ACADEMIC AT THIS POINT!!!...
INSTALL THEM IN DEFERENT ORBITAL PATHS!.. LIKE ONE IN MIDDLE, ONE ON THE RIGHT ONE IN THE LEFT AND SO ON!!!...
ALSO AT DEFERENT RADIUSES!!!.....
IT IS ACADEMIC AT THIS POINT!!!...
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Zoran wrote:
Actually, Zoran, I think that I read a science book once that said that air guns HAD been invented in the 16th or 17th centuries when they were just starting to experiment with pumps and air pressure. These early guns had a screw-in hollow metal ball that was pressurized by a portable, hand operated pump. This ball contained air at high pressure and the guns would fire a lead ball at velocities that were comparable to those achieved with gun powder! They allowed rapid firing and were almost SILENT in operation.
Apparently, there was some big battle in the 17th century in eastern Europe where these guns were used for the first and LAST time. The reason was that they caused so much destruction and loss of life that both sides signed a peace agreement and agreed to BAN the use of these unusually deadly (for the time) weapons in any future conflicts. Too bad we can not do the same today with all weapons...
Anyway, in my dream, I think that the attack on us was designed to express my fear that some people will go to any lengths to steal the secret of PM. It also allowed my dream character to play the hero by attempting to save Bessler's invention so that it could be made available to the world.
I am not worried by the unseen, air gun using, assassin in my dream...I've had far worse dreams!
ken
P.S. If anybody is curious about my dream involving Johann Bessler, then they can read about it on page 5 of my thread titled "My recent progress updates" in the Community Buzz Forum.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 2203#12203
AND ONE MORE THING !:
THAT SNIPER IN YOUR DREAM BOTHERS ME!!...
THERE WERE NO SNIPER AT THAT POINT... THERE IS SOME HIDDEN MEANING IN IT!!!
Actually, Zoran, I think that I read a science book once that said that air guns HAD been invented in the 16th or 17th centuries when they were just starting to experiment with pumps and air pressure. These early guns had a screw-in hollow metal ball that was pressurized by a portable, hand operated pump. This ball contained air at high pressure and the guns would fire a lead ball at velocities that were comparable to those achieved with gun powder! They allowed rapid firing and were almost SILENT in operation.
Apparently, there was some big battle in the 17th century in eastern Europe where these guns were used for the first and LAST time. The reason was that they caused so much destruction and loss of life that both sides signed a peace agreement and agreed to BAN the use of these unusually deadly (for the time) weapons in any future conflicts. Too bad we can not do the same today with all weapons...
Anyway, in my dream, I think that the attack on us was designed to express my fear that some people will go to any lengths to steal the secret of PM. It also allowed my dream character to play the hero by attempting to save Bessler's invention so that it could be made available to the world.
I am not worried by the unseen, air gun using, assassin in my dream...I've had far worse dreams!
ken
P.S. If anybody is curious about my dream involving Johann Bessler, then they can read about it on page 5 of my thread titled "My recent progress updates" in the Community Buzz Forum.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 2203#12203
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Darrell, careful how you spell different or you'll give yourself away :)
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Well said Trev
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Bessler made air-guns and was a good shot himself. Here is a quote from John Collin's book of Bessler's Apologia Poetica:
"I worked also with sulphur and with gunpowder, and constructed air-guns which shot far and accurately, becoming a very good shot myself."
Stewart
"I worked also with sulphur and with gunpowder, and constructed air-guns which shot far and accurately, becoming a very good shot myself."
Stewart