Alan,
You do have me at a disadvantage.
After all, who would believe that you would expect me to support you and your family ?
Yet I have a job and am building. What are you doing ?
Saying you have e-mail and messages that you are going to send to the FBI.
Hmm, FBI ? You could post that same information here but you won't. After all, you are an American who claims to be a disabled veteran.
I find that funny because I receive payment from the V.A. and not you but you are a disabled veteran and not me.
Have to wonder how people believe you.
A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum
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re: A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum
Alan,
I have saved your private message where you consider YouTube views demonstrate a working wheel . And considering you live in a large city like Homer, it might be that people will think you live in Homer, Simpson and drink Duff beer.
After all, in this thread, you have never commented on my design except to say you like it.
And since you do, why are you attacking me for ?
@All, this forum is a joke. Just ask someone with 4 or more green dots to show an open build beginning to end. You won't find someone who has done it. And this thread is an example of why it hasn't happened.
edited to add; if anyone wants, at overunity/com, search ab hammer and call your father. You will see he threatened me with calling my father and telling me I would be in trouble. Easy search to do if you are a member there.
Not sure why he would call my father for and tell him what he needed to do or what ever. But everyone seems to find his behavior acceptable.
Not sure why he would threaten to harass my father but the last time I checked, his post was still there.
And if anyone checks greyone, that's his step son Michael, he used his account to talk to me. Not sure why using someone else's account is acceptable but it is for him.
I have saved your private message where you consider YouTube views demonstrate a working wheel . And considering you live in a large city like Homer, it might be that people will think you live in Homer, Simpson and drink Duff beer.
After all, in this thread, you have never commented on my design except to say you like it.
And since you do, why are you attacking me for ?
@All, this forum is a joke. Just ask someone with 4 or more green dots to show an open build beginning to end. You won't find someone who has done it. And this thread is an example of why it hasn't happened.
edited to add; if anyone wants, at overunity/com, search ab hammer and call your father. You will see he threatened me with calling my father and telling me I would be in trouble. Easy search to do if you are a member there.
Not sure why he would call my father for and tell him what he needed to do or what ever. But everyone seems to find his behavior acceptable.
Not sure why he would threaten to harass my father but the last time I checked, his post was still there.
And if anyone checks greyone, that's his step son Michael, he used his account to talk to me. Not sure why using someone else's account is acceptable but it is for him.
re: A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum
Like your pic ovyyus.
You know, I've actually had people ask me work so I can have a better life.
As for Bessler, have finally figured out how this drawing of his works. When it's realized, it will lead to his 60 rpm wheel. He did use at least 2 different methods.
As for me, do plan on continuing my build. It is a lot of work but it will be worth the while.
You know, I've actually had people ask me work so I can have a better life.
As for Bessler, have finally figured out how this drawing of his works. When it's realized, it will lead to his 60 rpm wheel. He did use at least 2 different methods.
As for me, do plan on continuing my build. It is a lot of work but it will be worth the while.
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re: A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum
@AB Hammer,
When you mentioned that I need to look to the future, instead of telling me about your injuries or how I can file an appeal with the V.A. which is filed,
you might have been better off asking me how Bessler could have modified and Archimedes screw.
But you didn't.
When you mentioned that I need to look to the future, instead of telling me about your injuries or how I can file an appeal with the V.A. which is filed,
you might have been better off asking me how Bessler could have modified and Archimedes screw.
But you didn't.
re: A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum
On the besslerwheel.com home page,
this was Scott's quote of the day. I think they change on each page view.
"If you restrict the journal to publishing only what pleases the referees, you end up publishing what is popular, and while it does make everyone feel more comfortable, you are guaranteed to miss the occasional breakthrough."
- A. Dessler, Editor, Geophysical Research Letters, (regarding small-comet bombardment of Earth.)
Anyone interested in the way in which I am pursuing Bessler which requires building, the link is in the first post of this thread.
Jim
this was Scott's quote of the day. I think they change on each page view.
"If you restrict the journal to publishing only what pleases the referees, you end up publishing what is popular, and while it does make everyone feel more comfortable, you are guaranteed to miss the occasional breakthrough."
- A. Dessler, Editor, Geophysical Research Letters, (regarding small-comet bombardment of Earth.)
Anyone interested in the way in which I am pursuing Bessler which requires building, the link is in the first post of this thread.
Jim
re: A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum
AB Hammer,
I have to apologize for that gregarious error. Unfortunately I have spent my time learning how Bessler's wheels worked.
You see, since you are an expert on machines used in antiquity, being a most excellent armorer (I have seen your work and it is very good), yet I have given multiple opportunities to contribute.
It is fairly common knowledge that Bessler used pulleys. He also lifted a weight 4 times heavier 4 times as high and did so quickly.
And since your Roman armor is 1st rate, do wonder how you missed their machines. They did use elevators. They would have cages with animals lifted to the coliseum floor so that Christians could be mauled for sport.
And anyone who watches PBS knows this secret. They used pulleys. And while pulleys are used in grandfather clocks, they are used for hoisting heavy loads.
The attached picture explains it nicely. And I did buy only one pulley to verify with one pulley, a 1:1 ratio remains. It is quite important for my own invention.
And anyone who cares to, they can go out and buy how ever many pulleys they like and test things for themselves.
And Alan, Mt 127 will work. It is Bessler's proof. And in this forum, I have heard "prove it" many times. As for Bessler, he was intelligent and knew that without a working wheel in his drawings, at no time could there be proof of his success.
Jim
p.s., one day you might think about working with other people.
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I have to apologize for that gregarious error. Unfortunately I have spent my time learning how Bessler's wheels worked.
You see, since you are an expert on machines used in antiquity, being a most excellent armorer (I have seen your work and it is very good), yet I have given multiple opportunities to contribute.
It is fairly common knowledge that Bessler used pulleys. He also lifted a weight 4 times heavier 4 times as high and did so quickly.
And since your Roman armor is 1st rate, do wonder how you missed their machines. They did use elevators. They would have cages with animals lifted to the coliseum floor so that Christians could be mauled for sport.
And anyone who watches PBS knows this secret. They used pulleys. And while pulleys are used in grandfather clocks, they are used for hoisting heavy loads.
The attached picture explains it nicely. And I did buy only one pulley to verify with one pulley, a 1:1 ratio remains. It is quite important for my own invention.
And anyone who cares to, they can go out and buy how ever many pulleys they like and test things for themselves.
And Alan, Mt 127 will work. It is Bessler's proof. And in this forum, I have heard "prove it" many times. As for Bessler, he was intelligent and knew that without a working wheel in his drawings, at no time could there be proof of his success.
Jim
p.s., one day you might think about working with other people.
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re: A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum
Jim
Of course Romans used pulleys. That is old tech. I also believe pulleys where possibly use in Bessler's wheel. Not in the complex way but the standard single pulley way. Use your concept and see what you can do with it. It is not what I am doing. Like I have said till I am blue in the face. I am not doing what you are doing. I have different roads. Next week I am taking away from armoring and finishing one of my simple wheel that is based off the wheel of death.
The only thing I would suggest you look out for is when using complex pulleys that you have the room to make them function.
Of course Romans used pulleys. That is old tech. I also believe pulleys where possibly use in Bessler's wheel. Not in the complex way but the standard single pulley way. Use your concept and see what you can do with it. It is not what I am doing. Like I have said till I am blue in the face. I am not doing what you are doing. I have different roads. Next week I am taking away from armoring and finishing one of my simple wheel that is based off the wheel of death.
The only thing I would suggest you look out for is when using complex pulleys that you have the room to make them function.
"Our education can be the limitation to our imagination, and our dreams"
So With out a dream, there is no vision.
Old and future wheel videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos
Alan
So With out a dream, there is no vision.
Old and future wheel videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ABthehammer/videos
Alan
Things to remember are all actions have to take place in a very limited amount of time. 60 RPM all actions have to happen in 1 second, 30 RPM all actions have to happen in 2 seconds. To a complex group of pulleys also called compound pulleys are dealing with the same as a lever. The more weight you lift, the longer the arm or action of length of the cable/rope. The more needed actions the longer it will take to make such actions.
re: A simple build to demonstrate conservation of momentum
Hi Flecther,
With something like what Bessler did, it took everything. After all, since
his wheels did rotate, the fulcrums were never in the same place.
This agrees with his saying that his weights got their force from swinging. This would be when a weight's fulcrum moved past top center. Then as it rotated to words bottom center, the fulcrum would then be moving under it's weight.
With the use of pulleys, a 1kg weight can have 5kg's of force. With leverage, 25 to 1 is possible. Basically, if a 1kg weight drops 10cm's, it can lift a 25kg weight 2 cm's.
Without pulleys and a lever, it's not possible. With them, they are. And when used with bellows as in MT 127, it would simply make Bessler ingenious.
If you were to consider an Archimedes screw with movable pistons, too much travel would be required. Yet when one bellows closes and another one opens, the same thing happens but with minimal travel.
It might take a little time to consider everything, but it does seem that if Bessler would have had drawn pulleys as well with Mt 127, then one of his ways would be known.
Jim
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With something like what Bessler did, it took everything. After all, since
his wheels did rotate, the fulcrums were never in the same place.
This agrees with his saying that his weights got their force from swinging. This would be when a weight's fulcrum moved past top center. Then as it rotated to words bottom center, the fulcrum would then be moving under it's weight.
With the use of pulleys, a 1kg weight can have 5kg's of force. With leverage, 25 to 1 is possible. Basically, if a 1kg weight drops 10cm's, it can lift a 25kg weight 2 cm's.
Without pulleys and a lever, it's not possible. With them, they are. And when used with bellows as in MT 127, it would simply make Bessler ingenious.
If you were to consider an Archimedes screw with movable pistons, too much travel would be required. Yet when one bellows closes and another one opens, the same thing happens but with minimal travel.
It might take a little time to consider everything, but it does seem that if Bessler would have had drawn pulleys as well with Mt 127, then one of his ways would be known.
Jim
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Alan,AB Hammer wrote:Jim
Of course Romans used pulleys. That is old tech. I also believe pulleys where possibly use in Bessler's wheel. Not in the complex way but the standard single pulley way. Use your concept and see what you can do with it. It is not what I am doing. Like I have said till I am blue in the face. I am not doing what you are doing. I have different roads. Next week I am taking away from armoring and finishing one of my simple wheel that is based off the wheel of death.
The only thing I would suggest you look out for is when using complex pulleys that you have the room to make them function.
You have never shown any work and I know what you are working on ;-)
It is interesting, for all you have said about having 26 years of engineering experience, yet you discount the gains that using pulleys allow for.
I am not sure how you consider the simple diagram I posted from howstuffworks.com as being complex. I think they explained it quite well.
As with PBS, they did show where using multiple pulleys allows for work to be done when using pulleys in your simple fashion won't work.
And since you have never contributed to any work I have done, why do you try to discount any understanding that could lead to a realization of Bessler's work ?
Bessler did use pulleys. Everyone in here knows this except for you. Your quote, " I also believe pulleys where possibly use".
And what else you had to say about it, "That is old tech". Bessler's wheels are "old tech". You know, early 1700's.
This is the PBS show I mentioned.
The main focus of Roman Death Trap is on architect Heinz Beste, who describes how he found evidence for a massive set of pulleys and levers used to move wild animals--crocodiles, ostriches, rhinos, bears and tigers--onto the arena floor.
http://archaeology.about.com/od/videos/ ... Review.htm
And with Bessler, do believe he used essentially the same system to open and close bellows. If anyone cares to look at his drawings, bellows appear quite frequently.
Jim
edited to add; I do have my facebook page to show my work. And I guess in a way I'll be using some of the same methods that Heinz Beste used. And he showed his work as well.
The main focus of Roman Death Trap is on architect Heinz Beste, who describes how he found evidence for a massive set of pulleys and levers used to move wild animals--crocodiles, ostriches, rhinos, bears and tigers--onto the arena floor.
http://archaeology.about.com/od/videos/ ... Review.htm
And with Bessler, do believe he used essentially the same system to open and close bellows. If anyone cares to look at his drawings, bellows appear quite frequently.
Jim
edited to add; I do have my facebook page to show my work. And I guess in a way I'll be using some of the same methods that Heinz Beste used. And he showed his work as well.
Alan,
This is funny. Cloud Camper is talking about Jim_Mich and then you turn the thread to being about me when you and Jim_Mich had gotten me banned.
I think that is funny. After all, you attack me and my work while you continue to allude to know or have something, yet you never show your work. :-)
That's a bit unfair Ralph, for you had the same problem and I took the heat off of you with that Jim. Some people will not allow you to ignore them. And if you don't defend yourself. There word becomes accepted in time as truth. Politics 101
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:26
Cloud camper keeps saying that the forum is tired of Jim_Mich. Should he leave?
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... e&start=15
edited to add; Alan, when referring to someone possessing something, it is "their" and not "there. The latter refers to a location.
This is funny. Cloud Camper is talking about Jim_Mich and then you turn the thread to being about me when you and Jim_Mich had gotten me banned.
I think that is funny. After all, you attack me and my work while you continue to allude to know or have something, yet you never show your work. :-)
That's a bit unfair Ralph, for you had the same problem and I took the heat off of you with that Jim. Some people will not allow you to ignore them. And if you don't defend yourself. There word becomes accepted in time as truth. Politics 101
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:26
Cloud camper keeps saying that the forum is tired of Jim_Mich. Should he leave?
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... e&start=15
edited to add; Alan, when referring to someone possessing something, it is "their" and not "there. The latter refers to a location.