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Mr, J. Randall,

Your above statement which I quote:
And though Maxwell's Demon required energy input, my mechanism requires only the initial rotational startup input, without adding continual additional KE like as is required by normal thermodynamic heat engines.
This is to me a very positive sounding statement to be making! You are stating that your device or machine is objectively completed to the point that all that it needs is a moderate impetus to produce perpetual motion. If so, why are you so absorbed in childish defense lowering your intellectual image to their level.

Unless you desire your integrity status to befall another major setback, I suggest you clarify the above statement by either substantiating it or admit that it is in error! If you can do neither, then I wish you luck in adding more fuel to being flamed which you appear to becoming relishing accustomed to.

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I agree with Jim on Maxwell's demon.

I think the Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube comes close and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's eventually developed into a demon.

Consider for example this video from the Atlantic magazine.

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/ ... a-tornado/

The Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube is basically a mini-tornado. Not only that but Bruce's Uncle's toy also employs vortex dynamics.

I disagree with Jim on the Bessler Wheel but I think it's likely that energy can be extracted from Ersatz Gravity on its own.

The WhipMag shows what is possible with the electric and magnetic fields.
I believe something similar is possible with the Matter and Inertial fields.

And whilst on the subject of Inertia, I think that is completely the wrong way of describing matter. It implies matter is dead, inert. This was all very well in the days of Newton and company but now we know that matter is very much alive.
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Grimer wrote:know that matter is very much alive.
I'm sorry. Your statement just hit me funny. So when does matter, being that it is alive, when does matter start breeding like bunny rabbits? I mean, such is the only real definition of living matter... that it reproduces itself and also, in the case of animals at least, it is capable of self-motion. Thus I envisioned bunny rabbits hopping around, very much alive, and reproducing like bunny rabbits do.

And I'm very much aware of the Ranque-Hilsch vortex tubes. On a larger scale, my little air compressor squishes air, which drives out the heat, and then as the air escapes the air-gun nozzle, the air cools instantly, simply by expansion. But such is not a Maxwell's Demon type situation. The Ranque-Hilsch vortex tube and my little air nozzle are both simply the result of compression and decompression. Just simple thermodynamics.

And once again you used that ugly word "ersatz" gravity. I feel like puking. Use the proper word, CF or centrifugal force. Become scientifically accurate, for god's sake. Stop sounding like some PM cult member.

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jim_mich wrote:
eccentrically1 wrote:It's a fact that inertia is a description of a body's resistance to change in its velocity. It's not even a force!
See: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22iner ... gle+Search
Over eight MILLION hits concerning the phrase "Inertial Force"

That's not a surprise, there are over 19 million hits for unicorns, a fictitious type of horse.

Inertia most definitely produces a force. So don't give me any crap that it’s not a force. It is the negative force which must be acted against for a body to accelerate. And depending upon your frame of reference is can also be a positive force.

It's not crap. Inertial force on wikipedia, the online encyclopedia we all love to use, redirects to fictitious force. So inertia, or, a body’s inertial mass, produces a fictitious force, if you prefer saying it that way. A real force, like friction for instance, can exist in either an inertial frame or a non-inertial frame.
eccentrically1 wrote:A mechanical maxwell's demon is as impossible as the thermodynamic demon. The demon consumes energy sorting the moving molecules. He would consume more than he could convert.
Yes, a thermodynamic Maxwell's Demon is theoretically possible if/when the Demon consumes less energy sorting than is produced by the results.

Anything is theoretically possible. I should have said a mechanical maxwell’s demon is even more impossible than a thermodynamic one.

My mechanical Maxwell's Demon "name" is simply the closest analogical words that I can find to describe process whereby the weights of a PM wheel gain energy from their motions.

With James Clerk Maxwell's Demon, thermal energy is transferred from colder air to warmer air. Now this is thought to be impossible. Except that Maxwell envisioned it as possible IF and WHEN individual air molecules were sorted according to their velocity, which is the kinetic energy content of the individual air molecules. Such sorting requires energy. Maxwell's Demon is overunity only if it can sort using little or no energy.

My PM wheel does something similar, but not the same... At this point, while writing this, I attempted to describe my Maxwell's Demon process without giving away enough of the details, which would cost me my patent rights. I had most of the description typed up. But as I read it over, the same thing happened as always happens. No matter how hard I attempt to convey the Mechanical Maxwell's Demon without disclosing TOO MUCH so as to loose patent rights, it just can't be done. Describing the process in any more detail than simply calling it a mechanical Maxwell's Demon gives the method away.

Your PM wheel? So you built your demon idea and it works ?
Cloud camper modeled what he THOUGHT was my mechanisms, based upon the words that I had used to describe it, but in which word I had left out the same one or two words that Bessler said might give the secret away.

And thus I must be vague. But once the principle is known, then Bessler's words all fall into place. And his descriptions are dead on. Bessler figured out exactly how far he could go with describing his wheel mechanism. He omitted only one or two words from his description. So if you want a description of my wheel, go read Bessler's description. But read the actual original words, because some of his words have not been translated exactly correct. Some of Bessler's words have be misconstrued. People have put meaning to Bessler's words that are not in the original context.

So, eccentrically1, trying to claim that inertia is not even a force falls far short of any argument. Inertia and momentum are simply different word for the same effect, but it is looking at the effect from different planes of reference. Both involve acceleration of an object. One is positive acceleration. One is negative acceleration, which it is the custom to call deceleration. Both involve the changing of the velocity, speed, or direction of a weight mass.

momentum is the product of mass and velocity. It’s not the same as inertia.

Bessler describes his weights as moving, one in and one out, and then they swap. This is the perfect description of weights manipulating inertial resistance to acceleration and momentum resistance to deceleration, which involves transferring of motional KE from weight to weight, so as to increase the ectropy of the whole unit, not unlike Maxwell's idea of transferring heat KE from on side of a vessel to the other side. In both cases, the result in an increase of ectropy. It is the increase of usable harnessable kinetic energy. And though Maxwell's Demon required energy input, my mechanism requires only the initial rotational startup input, without adding continual additional KE like as is required by normal thermodynamic heat engines.

Mechanism, schmechanism.
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Lets continue this discussion in a new thread... Fictitiousness

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... 399#132399

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