www.gravitywheel.com has been updated

[ovyyus]

The frilly-knickered ninnies are flocking.

[Ed]

@ Primo (Aspect of contempt noted.)

I hope you noticed that Ed's post was 5 years ago. :-) - Grimer

Do you?

Then, he must be all well by now, right???

So, where is he?

Let him come-forth with retorts, if alive-still.

J.

My back is much better now, thanks. Shame your verbal diarrhea hasn't cleared up yet. You could offer yourself some Smeckler's powder or Lister's carbolic ointment?

[primemignonite]

You two are truly impotent and pathetic.

So, Ovyyus, I'll ask it here as well: Why is the "Print Shop" not accessible, and why is your painting no longer available?

(Repaired "Ovyus" to read Ovyyus and as of this, the fair, pertinent question has not yet been answered.)

[jim_mich]

James, aka primemignonite, I had to look up one of your words.

You and your fellow rat-faced Edomite friend were relegated to the SINISTRAL side of the column years ago, and there
you two shall remain.

I found this newer urban dictionary definition rather insightful.

Then I noticed that someone has "reported" you, I assume for breaking the Terms of Use? Which are not enforced in the least, except for to keep out those attempting to post ads.

Your post was nowhere near as offensive as those thrown at me in the past by some of the tormentors here.

So what might it be that caused such a "reporting"? Was it your Edomite comment. I thought that was a rather funny bit of double entendre. Much along the line of some of Bessler's writings. Heaven forbid I ever post a translation of one of Bessler's foul-mouthed rants against his enemies. John Collin's translator did a good job of white-washing such.

I guess you and I just come from a different generation? Or maybe from a different side of the world. How many American baby boomers are on this forum?

[John Collins]

I probably should point out that the gravitywheelcom website was altered about a year after I posted this link, so anything of interest in that original iteration has gone and I can't remember what was in it, but I guess I took notice of the comments.

I have left my thoughts on "kiiking" available for those interested at www.besslerswheel.com, but I am putting together my ideas on what I believe is the solution and plan to post on one of my websites as soon as I've completed the working (or unworking) model I'm working on.

The new stuff is detailed and will include a full explanation. I'm finding it more difficult than before to build my website so bear with me as I write and draw and get it online, hopefully.

JC

[Grimer]

@ Primo (Aspect of contempt noted.)

I hope you noticed that Ed's post was 5 years ago. :-) - Grimer

Do you?

Then, he must be all well by now, right???

So, where is he?

Let him come-forth with retorts, if alive-still.

J.

I do apologise Sir. I didn't mean to offend. In future I will be careful to use your full handle, primemignonite.

I looked that word up once. It was a variety of flower IIRC. A better choice of pseudonym than Tarsier I must say. I thought Tarsier was his surname but when I looked it up it was the name of the suicidal monkey he uses for his avatar.

[Grimer]

While I was looking up that flowers name I was astonished to find the following at the head of the google page:

Case of Primemignonite (James) vs. Ed, now in session...
www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=952&sid...
29 May 2005 - 15 posts - ‎11 authors
The way a civilized society works seems to be beyond you, James. You have already called me a "species of human" among other things, and ...

Golly gosh!!! I didn't realise that Google recorded stuff instantly.

[Ed]

James, aka primemignonite, I had to look up one of your words.

You and your fellow rat-faced Edomite friend were relegated to the SINISTRAL side of the column years ago, and there
you two shall remain.

I found this newer urban dictionary definition rather insightful.

Then I noticed that someone has "reported" you, I assume for breaking the Terms of Use? Which are not enforced in the least, except for to keep out those attempting to post ads.

Your post was nowhere near as offensive as those thrown at me in the past by some of the tormentors here.

So what might it be that caused such a "reporting"? Was it your Edomite comment. I thought that was a rather funny bit of double entendre. Much along the line of some of Bessler's writings. Heaven forbid I ever post a translation of one of Bessler's foul-mouthed rants against his enemies. John Collin's translator did a good job of white-washing such.

I guess you and I just come from a different generation? Or maybe from a different side of the world. How many American baby boomers are on this forum?

You really are an asshat, Jim. What I think is rather "funny" is how you hypocritically embrace or endorse bullying.

I wasn't the one who reported James' post, but I assume who did was tired of the poor excuse for grammar being spun by the resident C(h)IC, Charlotte, and directed at someone who didn't even do anything.

And for the record, Stewart didn't get "bent out of shape" until you spelled his name wrong so often it either meant you were a grade-school dropout or purposely doing it.

When the cat (Scott) is away, the rats will play... indeed!

Also, Grimer please stop stirring the pot by bumping ancient posts! ;-)

[primemignonite]

OK!

First things first . . .

Your support here in this essentially meaningless spate of frisson is greatly appreciated, Jim (jim_mich)

I had a feeling that I had overstepped a limit, and that the walls might be brought down upon me.

Like pregnancy, it seems too obvious that the most hidden, devious and wicked, execrable and most destructive personage operating here in that special 'Fiver Way' , is likely behind it.

Well, "I reserve the right to be wrong". (' Just can't remember the correct attribution here :-)

Yes, the long-knives are being silently slipped-out of their sheathes, by this likely One.

How and why can such a One as he be abided?

"THIS is mystery - - - ."

If I am to be tossed into History's trash bin, then se-be-it, so I say. (As old Dad used to exclaim when I would bellyache about something petty: "You'll live! " Ha! So-far-so-good, but now I am not so sure.)

You stated, Jim: "Your post was nowhere near as offensive as those thrown at me in the past by some of the tormentors here."

Gees! You sure may be right, I just don't know not having read every single one. I did, however, notice many that were quite rough, indeed. The various of your needlers seemed to want to push you into distraction's land.

(It seems that the little program of theirs did not work, since you are here-still, writing and expressing like a champ cut-loose!)

As for what might have caused the new excitement for this moment, it is impossible to say but, that commentary bit of mine that you cited forays specifically and particularly into some very sacred cow type territory, where most are freighted nearly to-death to enter, other than in bowed, complimentary and complimenting, supplicative servant mode.

This would be for slaves to do, to love their chains and their utterly heartless, damned and condemned for Eternity masters, this being done wittingly or no. (Now, would moi be such a one? Rhetorical.)

It could be where I challenged them. One does not challenge Satan nor his scurrying main minions lightly, expecting to go unscathed. I guess I am now to be scathed. Again, so-be-it. My torturous martyr's demise will serve as a lesson to all that are of the Right Path.

Jim, you expressed interest regarding that "SINISTRAL" part.

As I explained a few months ago on Trever the Good's (they both are this) gigantic and fascinating topic thread, it is A LIST called appropriately "The Naughty and Nice List". For ten years, or however long I have been here, I've been perfecting it for use one day.

It contains three columns. The left one being the SINISTRAL, the right one being the DEXTRAL and the center a sort of pre-assignment area, sort of a Limbo; this being the most filled.

The second most filled is the SINISTRAL, these are ones that are condemned to Bessler Oblivion (or, as close to this condition for which I might possibly be able to arrange) by me, myself. (For any looking over our shoulders, please do note that the two 'm's' are not capitalized. Just sayin'; for the record.)

The DEXTRAL consists of all The Good, of which there are very, very few. (Upon but two hands, these might be counted!)

Also, as I rather carefully explained before, there, presently it is all meaningless and totally lacking in any significance to any but myself. It is but preparation for some future event yet-to-come; THEN it will be utilized to near death-like effect, much wailing and gnashing of teeth ensuing for not having this-and-that, blah-blah-blah, the usual / expectable from the trashed, indignant Lefty sort.

As explanation, I do hope it isn't too mysterious? (If found so, just PM me and I will endeavor to make clear what is now opaque.)

As I recall from the past of a few years back on the Forum, we two are war babies, having been conceived and born during the war. (J.C. too - but he is about a full half-a-year (?) more advanced and improved than me own self.)

It would appear that you, yourself Jim, are receiving yet-more flak from Dark Headquarters as if such nonsense from them could frighten the Stony Embrace itself into submission. (Nota-gonna-happen!)

It's good to have company during this tiny krieg of blitz, as my Internet oblivion (or far worse) slowly approaches.

- James

[primemignonite]

Grimer,

It is all interesting and enlightening, what you have shared.

First-off, of course your apology is accepted.

Mostly I just caught at that tiny opening because feeling petulant and really should not have. It is I who should by rights, be asking yourself for petty absolution instant.

"A judge worthy of his charge does not catch at phrases." - Maxim of Law, original in Latin

Ah, yes: "Case of Primemignonite (James) vs. Ed, now in session... "

THAT was some riotous fun but, it was built upon some things still not understood fully by one of the parties to the dual action. My guess is that this decrepit condition of deficit exists-still!

Sometimes the dawning in minds and hearts as to what properly is right and just, takes a whole lifetime to manifest if ever. (Just between you and me?)

There is so much on the table here, now, so I think we would not like to re-visit those decisions, and all the circumlocutions that lead to them?

Also, you have lamented and charged thus:

"The way a civilized society works seems to be beyond you, James. You have already called me a "species of human" among other things, and ... "

EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE me?

As for the first, shockingly, this seems an assertion-sort below your usually higher self, Grimer. By it, I am mystified.

As for that second, hmmm, this sounds like some thing as extracted from a PM I sent some time ago? Or, have I got that all wrong. Possible.

Anyway, if from a PM then let us settle the tiny dispute of ridiculousness by PM. Waddaya say?

Now that that cat is out of the bag (from wherever it may have originated truly) let me speak to it by THIS . . .

Of course you are not a mere "species" of human, but rather are one FULLY.

Now, this I could not prove by expositions of any actual evidence in some equity court as I possess none, but, I am as sure as sure could ever be that . . . you ARE one fully, and not just any old species of same.

Might that stand well enough as apology or, must I further prostrate myself in humiliating supplication???

That should do 'er. (Ha! We'll see . . .)

James

[jim_mich]

And for the record, Stewart didn't get "bent out of shape" until you spelled his name wrong so often it either meant you were a grade-school dropout or purposely doing it.

Four times I wrongly spelled Stewart as Steward and I've never heard the end of it.

Once in April 2008, once in June 2011.
Then twice in June 2013 for which I was condemned.

I by accident made the same mistake again in June 2014. Maybe again sometime later.

If you do a forum search for Steward with me as the author you will get 13 hits, with only 4 hits before November 2013, thus I wrongly spelled Stewart as Steward only 4 times before he got bent out of shape about it. After that I wrongly by mistake spelled Stewart as Steward one ot two more times. I've written the word Steward about seven more times since while trying to defend myself for making the intial spelling error.

And for the record I've used Stewart correctly 90 times.
And for the record my spell-checking software accepts both Stewart and Steward, so it's no help if I hit a wrong key.

Ed, you state I spelled Stewart as Steward so often (actually only four times) that it meant more than just a simple spelling error.

For spelling, Stewart incorrectly FOUR TIMES Stewart got all bent out of shape.
There were other reasons.
Stewart was a gravity wheel guy. And I had turned into a motion-wheel guy.

[primemignonite]

Excepting for the noteworthy bit of vileness made as ejecta and shot onto Jim (jim_mich) by ED (ED) himself, this latest minute creation of his deserves NADA!

(Entered into the Record, but left unsigned.)

[Ed]

Ed, you state I spelled Stewart as Steward so often (actually only four times) that it meant more than just a simple spelling error.

Jim, you apparently want to reduce the hyperbole on my side but leave it intact on your side. Please give an example of what bent out of shape means... hyperbole aside?

For spelling, Stewart incorrectly FOUR TIMES Stewart got all bent out of shape.
There were other reasons.
Stewart was a gravity wheel guy. And I had turned into a motion-wheel guy.

So you put your fingers in your ears and typed "d", "d", "d"? ;-)


As for you, James, if you weren't such a delicate flower and have to put people on an ignore list to calm your shattered nerves, I could tell you that Grimer didn't say what you accuse him of saying... that was text that I wrote way back then that got pasted in when he posted his recent message.

[Stewart]

Oh the drama, as Scott would say!

James - take some deep breaths and have a lie down before your anger and hatred consumes you! ;-)

Jim - I don't remember being "bent out of shape" about the name thing. Mildly annoyed at best, and you're certainly not the only one to repeatedly make that mistake. I'm just bemused as to why anyone would type the word steward instead of Stewart. Shorten it to Stew if it makes things easier!

Stewart was a gravity wheel guy. And I had turned into a motion-wheel guy.

When have I ever said I'm a gravity wheel guy? I'm not sure I've ever expressed my own personal views on how I think Bessler's wheels might have worked.

Stew

[jim_mich]

Please give an example of what bent out of shape means.

Hey, we were going to have a discussion, a debate. I spent time gathered together data, facts, etc. in preperation for this debate. Time stretched out (that was no problem). Then a fellow member asked me a question, and I responded, translating three short line of Bessler's writings in the process.

Then, BANG, everyting blew up. Stewart closed his private forum. The rumor was he had left the Bessler forum. And everyone seemed to blamed me. It seems that I'd mis-spelled His name. Rather than mention it to me (I would have oppologised) it seems it was somehow ASSUMED that I'd mis-spelled on purpose.

Now that, Ed, is what I call getting bent out of shape over nothing.

And along about that time Stewart posted a big long rant, with lots of derogatory comments about me.

Jim, how is it that you can understand the specific 'true meaning' behind words written 300 years ago while only reading an English translation/interpretation of them?

Let me answer that - he can't! I've been biting my tongue for some time now over Jim's attempts at understanding Bessler's writings. The main reason I've not got involved in the discussions is that there are so many flawed translations and assumptions that it's a monumental task to explain the truth and I just don't have the time. I also can't help but think is it even worth entering into a discussion with a closed-minded and obstinate person? I also hate writing confrontational posts. On the one hand I like Jim a lot and think he's a valued member of the forum and I agree with a lot of what he says, but on the other I find it hard to bear hearing him misrepresent Bessler and his wheel through his flawed attempts at interpreting Bessler's writings, and I also don't like the way he tries to force his ideas on people as though they are fact. I find it to be baffling behaviour from someone of obvious intellect, and I think it's quite irresponsible from a high-standing member of the forum. So, I'm sorry Jim, brace yourself, but I feel this needs to be said...

Jim accuses others of not listening to Bessler's words when in fact he is probably the worst culprit and often tries to find ways he can twist Bessler's words to fit his own theory of how the wheel might work. Jim claims to have a greater insight into Bessler's writings simple because he grew up around English speaking people of German descent who might occasionally slip a modern German word into their speech. Anyone with any commonsense will realise that would in no way help you to master 18th Century German and Latin writings. (In fact Ed grew up in the same area as Jim and even has German ancestors and he acknowledges the ludicrousy of Jim's suggestion.) Jim doesn't speak German or read German or Latin, and has never read any of Bessler's writings in the original languages. His main source of information is English translations that are not entirely accurate, particularly when describing technical terms from the time period. (In fact the translator often just ignores words that he doesn't understand.) Taking such translations, Jim will then twist them further from their original meaning to fit his theory. Also quoting sentences and parts of sentences out of context (particularly when that context is not understood) is about as useful as the following example, and should be taken about as seriously!...

ein Pudel-Hund [a poodle]

läufft [runs]

in mein Rad [in my wheel]

The fact of the matter is that Jim, like the majority of people, does not know exactly what Bessler says, having not read the original writings in old German and Latin. I have, and I can tell you that details are missing. This is unfortunate for Jim and not of course his fault, and I imagine it must be incredibly frustrating, but it is why he should not be trying to tell people what Bessler says or means, or at least should be prefacing his thoughts with "I think" or "in my opinion" instead of putting on an air of superior knowledge and presenting his thoughts as if they are facts.

-- snip --

The biggest problem it seems for Jim, which causes him to ignore or try and twist Bessler's words, is accepting that Bessler's wheel turns because it is "overbalanced". Bessler tells us in many places that his wheel is an "overbalanced" one, and by that we mean a wheel that has an imbalance of weight which causes it to rotate. There's no escaping this fact, that is if we are to believe what Bessler says, and if we don't believe what Bessler says to be true then these discussions are pointless anyway.

And it seems Stewart's biggest complaint was me putting forth the idea of Bessler's wheel being a motion-wheel. Stewart's claim was Bessler said his wheel was turned by weights, and by God, that means by gravity.

(Typed out just before Stewart's posted)